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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

James 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.

I am not “earning” anything...my Salvation has already been bought and paid...

I am only obeying the plain text of the Scriptures.

Matthew 12:50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=NIV&quicksearch=my+mother&begin=47&end=47


55 posted on 08/24/2015 11:25:43 AM PDT by DavidLSpud ("Go and sin no more"-Rejoice always, pray continually...)
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To: DavidLSpud

All St Paul’s teachings on faith are thrown out by one little verse in James.
Who was JAMES writing to? “TO THE TWELVE TRIBES SCATTERED ABROAD.

James was an apostle to the Circumcision, not the Gentiles.

Gal 2:9

And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.


62 posted on 08/24/2015 11:41:37 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Never trust anyone who promotes "sensible" gun control laws!)
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To: DavidLSpud

I see your most foundational and basic error of interpretation lies in thinking that James 2 is the go to place in scripture to clarify what salvation is. You and others that oppose salvation by faith alone seem to think James was teaching differently than Paul and the rest of scripture. But he is not. Paul is the apostle to the gentiles and James was a Jew speaking to Jews. They were speaking to two different audiences and emphasizing two different types of Justification. Paul said Abraham was justified by faith and had nothing to boast about before God. He was showing justification before God. Yet James said “Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. (James 2:18). He is speaking about justification before men. And both Paul and James agree and said that Abraham believed God and it was counted or credited to him as righteousness. To see the two different kind of justifications see (Rom 4:2) “For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God”. If Abraham was justified by works, as James at first glance appears to assert he is, he can glory before men but not before God. Romans 3: 19-20 says “Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.” The law makes all men “guilty before God” and “in his sight”, but we can be seen as just to men by observing and keeping the law and doing good works. This has to be the true understanding of James2:24 because the scripture is clear in so many places that we are saved through faith and not by works. James cannot be speaking in contradiction to the rest of scripture.


64 posted on 08/24/2015 11:52:26 AM PDT by damonw
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