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To: af_vet_1981
I have sympathy for those who realize they cannot remove "God" from "Mother of God (with us)," having been warned by others they are starting down the path of heresy. As an alternative, you seem to suggest

That insinuation of motive is crafty, and your conclusion is incorrect. Mother of Jesus is not a denial of His deity, regardless if it is preferred by those who do, for just as Caths reason that Jesus is God = MOD, so since Jesus is God thus being the mother of Jesus does not deny His deity, but avoids the misleading inference that is part of the unScriptural hyper-exaltation that is the false Mary of Catholicism .

Catholics live in fantasy or denial who imagine in Bible times they would not be charged with idolatry for kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing attributes which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them.

As said, we can easily see Moses picking up rocks whole Caths vainly protest, "I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?"

As an alternative, you seem to suggest using the Greek word Theotokos

As a step in the right direction toward doing as Scripture does.

, either untranslated or changing all renderings of the English word "mother" to "birth giver." That is a novel approach, for English speakers.

It is not a novel approach at all to change what Greek authorities say something does not mean (the same as “Mother of God” in English), as instead it is what is correctly done in accurate translations, including using elder or bishop for NT pastors. But Caths insist on theologically imposed meanings.

"Mr. Smith, this is my mother, birth giver Miriam." Hmmm ... it may be better to learn to speak Greek instead.

Mr. Smith is a proper name, as is Jesus, while God denotes nature, being, which consists of more than one person. Thus Mother of God is as confusing and misleading as saying the Jews killed God, or that Mary was stronger than God since Jesus was an infant was God. In all cases a conditionally technically valid term is used, but it is unwarranted for common usage, unless one want to give to Mary a level of being far far above other mortals.

673 posted on 08/22/2015 6:13:35 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212
If the following were used to introduce 'Mother', it would infer that the Mother is not necessarily the origin off the genetic make up of the one doing the introduction: "Mr. Smith, this is my mother, birth giver Miriam." If Miriam were introduced that way there would be at least the following possibilities: 1) Miriam is not one of the haploid gene donors, but in her womb the introducer was gestated; or 2) Miriam is one of the haploid gene donors and is the Mother in whom the one in question gestated to birth; and 3) Miriam is neither genetic mother nor the one in whom the gestation happened, but she is the one who attended the birthing and perhaps adopted the introducer..

It might be interesting to find out if the poster believes MAry was source for half of the genetic makeup of Jesus' body.

677 posted on 08/22/2015 6:39:15 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: daniel1212
If the following were used to introduce 'Mother', it would infer that the Mother is not necessarily the origin off the genetic make up of the one doing the introduction: "Mr. Smith, this is my mother, birth giver Miriam." If Miriam were introduced that way there would be at least the following possibilities: 1) Miriam is not one of the haploid gene donors, but in her womb the introducer was gestated; or 2) Miriam is one of the haploid gene donors and is the Mother in whom the one in question gestated to birth; and 3) Miriam is neither genetic mother nor the one in whom the gestation happened, but she is the one who attended the birthing and perhaps adopted the introducer..

It might be interesting to find out if the poster believes MAry was source for half of the genetic makeup of Jesus' body.

680 posted on 08/22/2015 6:44:15 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: daniel1212; xzins
That insinuation of motive is crafty, and your conclusion is incorrect.

Mother of Jesus is not a denial of His deity,

Where exactly did I write that it was ?
No where
If you were paying attention on this thread you should of noticed (and cared) about the drift towards heresy by those who deny Mary is the Mother of God (with us) and assert she is only the mother of a body.

Xzins saw it and immediately wrote to shift that drift from the shoals of shipwrecked heretics.

719 posted on 08/23/2015 8:30:23 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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