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To: Arthur McGowan

“The following is also a valid syllogism, which proves that anyone who denies that Mary is the mother of God also denies that Jesus is God:

“Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Mary is not the mother of God.
Therefore, Jesus is not God.

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Arthur, please don’t continue down this path. It is not a valid syllogism because it assumes a category that doesn’t not apply to Christ and then attempts to give Mary a title God never gave her.

Mary bore Jesus Christ. Bore his human nature. Bore his divine nature.

Mary didn’t conceive his divine nature. He preexisted from all eternity as God.

Mary was blessed among women. Not above women.

What God said is enough.


45 posted on 08/17/2015 7:27:21 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Mary is the mother of a person, Jesus, who is God and man. He was also 5’10” and 180 lbs.

That person is ONE person, not two, or three, or four.

Therefore, by being the mother of Jesus, Mary is simultaneously the mother of a person who is 5’10”, and the mother of a person who is 180 lbs, and the mother of a person who is a man, and the mother of a person who is God.

The title “Mother of God” NEVER meant that Mary pre-existed, conceived, or caused the existence of, the eternal, Triune God. The reason the title NEVER meant that was that the Christians who call Mary by that title are not idiots.

The ONLY way Mary is NOT the mother of God is if the person Jesus who is man is NOT the same person Jesus who is God.


53 posted on 08/17/2015 7:35:33 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=788

Martin Luther’s thoughts on Mary, just one of the many “Catholic” things about Luther that the vast majority of protestants ignore, sort of like picking and choosing what they want to believe in the Bible, they pick and choose what they want to believe about Martin Luther.

“Along with virtually all important Protestant Founders (e.g., Calvin, Zwingli, Cranmer), Luther accepted the traditional belief in the perpetual virginity of Mary (Jesus had no blood brothers), and her status as the Theotokos (Mother of God):

Christ, ..was the only Son of Mary, and the Virgin Mary bore no children besides Him... “brothers” really means “cousins” here, for Holy Writ and the Jews always call cousins brothers. (Sermons on John, chapters 1-4.1537-39).
He, Christ, our Savior, was the real and natural fruit of Mary’s virginal womb.. .This was without the cooperation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that. (Ibid.)

God says... “Mary’s Son is My only Son.” Thus Mary is the Mother of God. (Ibid.).

God did not derive his divinity from Mary; but it does not follow that it is therefore wrong to say that God was born of Mary, that God is Mary’s Son, and that Mary is God’s mother...She is the true mother of God and bearer of God...Mary suckled God, rocked God to sleep, prepared broth and soup for God, etc. For God and man are one person, one Christ, one Son, one Jesus. not two Christs. . .just as your son is not two sons...even though he has two natures, body and soul, the body from you, the soul from God alone. (On the Councils and the Church, 1539).


88 posted on 08/17/2015 8:39:29 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Arthur McGowan

Mary bore Jesus Christ, God — divine and human intertwined. She did not conceive Him, but she bore Him. the one who bore God in her womb is the mother of God, the bearer of God, not the creator, but a creature who bore her creator


117 posted on 08/17/2015 11:58:46 PM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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