Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

http://www.catholicchristiananswers.com ^ | August 12, 2015 | Jessie Neace

[metmom]

Why are you dragging Luther into it?

What’s he got to do with the topic of the thread?

Or is this just a good opportunity to use to bash Luther..... again.....?

[Arthur McGowan]

Now should you wish to.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Luther Living Rent Free in Your Head Placemarker!

Thanks ebb tide! I'm up to 3,000 on this thread now.

[ebb tide]

Bible: The Sole Rule of Faith?

Fifth Centenary of the Protestant Revolt

[af_vet_1981]

Denominations are man made...

Then we are agreed that the entire Protestant Reformation of the Christian faith was man made.

[metmom]

LOL!!!

[metmom]

So what in the books in the *Catholic* Bible that Luther supposedly removed, supports ANY of the Catholic beliefs about Mary, that would cause someone to go on an anti-Luther rampage on a thread about Mary?

Or is it just another case of LDS - Luther Derangement Syndrome?

[metmom]

The Catholic church is a denomination.

[mrobisr]

The reformation was and is a true gift of God through his Son Jesus Christ. Just as the RCC has fell into horrible sin so has a lot of PC’s. Satan doesn’t care who he destroys he will bring all down who’s house isn’t built upon the Rock that is Jesus Christ.

Revelation 2:18-29

[daniel1212]

Bearer of God and Birth Giver of God are both good translations of θεοτοκος,

As it is plainly denied by clerics on your side that θεοτοκος means the same as “Mother of God,” versus “Birth-giver to God” or “God bearer,” with the latter more denoting instrumentality than what "Mother" normally ontologically conveys, the then what is a "good translation' is based upon theological preference, which was my point, versus a quote by a native Greek speaker providing the most accurate translation.

It is sobering to realize what is happening now to the Christians who have chanted this hymn

Sad indeed (coming here incrementally) but I hope they all are Christians most of all.

[Mark17]

I am the one on FR that plays the part of Balaam's ride...

LOL. I have a ten foot pole here, for NOT touching things with.

[MHGinTN]

Actually, given the blasphemous rites and worship in pagan fashion, it looks more like Catholiciism is a different religion now. It once had roots in The Lord Jesus Christ, very early, but is now a different religion altogether, with worship of Mary, praying to dead people for intercession, eating the god of their belief system, and a priestly class ‘forgiving sin’ as if they work for God. They have the appearance of godliness but deny the power thereof to save the broken and contrite spirit and have God’s Holy Spirit indwelling, never to leave the believer.

[daniel1212]

I have sympathy for those who realize they cannot remove "God" from "Mother of God (with us)," having been warned by others they are starting down the path of heresy. As an alternative, you seem to suggest

That insinuation of motive is crafty, and your conclusion is incorrect. Mother of Jesus is not a denial of His deity, regardless if it is preferred by those who do, for just as Caths reason that Jesus is God = MOD, so since Jesus is God thus being the mother of Jesus does not deny His deity, but avoids the misleading inference that is part of the unScriptural hyper-exaltation that is the false Mary of Catholicism .

Catholics live in fantasy or denial who imagine in Bible times they would not be charged with idolatry for kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing attributes which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them.

As said, we can easily see Moses picking up rocks whole Caths vainly protest, "I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?"

As an alternative, you seem to suggest using the Greek word Theotokos

As a step in the right direction toward doing as Scripture does.

, either untranslated or changing all renderings of the English word "mother" to "birth giver." That is a novel approach, for English speakers.

It is not a novel approach at all to change what Greek authorities say something does not mean (the same as “Mother of God” in English), as instead it is what is correctly done in accurate translations, including using elder or bishop for NT pastors. But Caths insist on theologically imposed meanings.

"Mr. Smith, this is my mother, birth giver Miriam." Hmmm ... it may be better to learn to speak Greek instead.

Mr. Smith is a proper name, as is Jesus, while God denotes nature, being, which consists of more than one person. Thus Mother of God is as confusing and misleading as saying the Jews killed God, or that Mary was stronger than God since Jesus was an infant was God. In all cases a conditionally technically valid term is used, but it is unwarranted for common usage, unless one want to give to Mary a level of being far far above other mortals.

[ebb tide]

Calling your prot posse, are you?

Well, tell your posse that, Martin Luther said:

[S]he became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child.... Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God.... None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.”[9]

[ealgeone]

One day Luther's a good guy...next day, depending on the topic, he's a bad guy.

Poor fellow doesn't know if he's coming or going.

[ebb tide]

You can say that again.

One day Lucifer was a good guy, next day he’s in Hell for eternity.

[MHGinTN]

If the following were used to introduce 'Mother', it would infer that the Mother is not necessarily the origin off the genetic make up of the one doing the introduction: "Mr. Smith, this is my mother, birth giver Miriam." If Miriam were introduced that way there would be at least the following possibilities: 1) Miriam is not one of the haploid gene donors, but in her womb the introducer was gestated; or 2) Miriam is one of the haploid gene donors and is the Mother in whom the one in question gestated to birth; and 3) Miriam is neither genetic mother nor the one in whom the gestation happened, but she is the one who attended the birthing and perhaps adopted the introducer..

It might be interesting to find out if the poster believes MAry was source for half of the genetic makeup of Jesus' body.

[ealgeone]

One day Lucifer was a good guy, next day he’s in Hell for eternity.

Presumption on your part.

[ebb tide]

You don’t believe in the Bible?

You don’t believe in Hell?

[MHGinTN]

If the following were used to introduce 'Mother', it would infer that the Mother is not necessarily the origin off the genetic make up of the one doing the introduction: "Mr. Smith, this is my mother, birth giver Miriam." If Miriam were introduced that way there would be at least the following possibilities: 1) Miriam is not one of the haploid gene donors, but in her womb the introducer was gestated; or 2) Miriam is one of the haploid gene donors and is the Mother in whom the one in question gestated to birth; and 3) Miriam is neither genetic mother nor the one in whom the gestation happened, but she is the one who attended the birthing and perhaps adopted the introducer..

It might be interesting to find out if the poster believes MAry was source for half of the genetic makeup of Jesus' body.