Posted on 08/17/2015 6:07:35 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
Isn't that projecting a bit?
Not one person has ever said or exhibited anything connected with fear about Mary.
Why presume that's what the issue is with some people objecting to the over-exaltation of Mary, beyond what is justified by Scripture?
Not nearly as often as the number of Hail Mary's like when someone is saying the rosary.
Saying that Mary is the mother of God is not merely saying that she was the God bearer. It goes well beyond that.
Nor did Mary bear God. She bore God Incarnate. She's the mother of Jesus, as the Holy Spirit refers to her in Scripture, not the mother of God as the Catholic church invented later.
Isaiah 7:14:Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Luke 1:43:And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
Worse yet - being told to say n-number of "Hail Mary" prayers as "PENANCE" after confession. "For your penance, say 6 'Hail Marys', a couple of 'Our Fathers' and a good 'Act of Contrition'" - then you're good 'til we meet again in this box.
pen·ance
noun
noun: penance; plural noun: penances
1. voluntary self-punishment inflicted as an outward expression of repentance for having done wrong.
So, the prayer - is a punishment?
**You deny the Trinity**
What....don’t tell me you’re going full democrat on me, and attacking the messenger? Are my questions that hard to answer?
I define God the way the scriptures define God.
God the Father.
The Son of God (the phrase ‘God the Son’ is not in the scriptures).
The Spirit of God (the phrase ‘God the Holy Spirit’ is not in the scriptures.)
You seem to insist that Jesus Christ be separate and distinct from the Father. The only thing separate and distinct is that the flesh (with a soul) was created, and died (but God raised him up).
You seem to insist that the Word be separate and distinct from the Father, when actually the Son declared that the words he spoke were not his, but the Father’s. Just like your words are yours (when not quoting someone else). But in your absence (invisible, if you please), someone can speak your message for you, if you give them the words.
Do you insist that the biceps, triceps, hamstrings, etc. of the Son, is God?
Jesus Christ, and the apostles John and Paul, declare that God is invisible. The Son is a visible manifestation of the invisible God, and created by God to display God’s unlimited attributes to man. And God has chosen to give this man all power in heaven and in earth.
While I have much more, my time is extremely limited. I work tomorrow. But possibly Sunday I can do more.
Recommended reading: John 12:44-50 and 14:6-11
Immanuel = “God with us”
The Greek word for *Lord* is not *Theou* (God) but *Kyriou* (Lord)
That verse in Luke proves nothing to support that Elizabeth means *God* when she says *Lord* because she never used the word for God.
And if you don’t do what the priest tells you to do, your sins are not forgiven.
Forgiveness by it’s very nature, is freely given. It is never earned or worked for. It’s release from a debt owed. Making someone pay a debt in the form of penance, is NOT forgiveness.
What is incorrect?
I was just thinking the other day in response to some articles on this subject that the Catholic charge against Bible-believing Protestants makes no sense. We DO believe Mary is “the mother of God” in the sense that we believe that Jesus was and is God. We aren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses, for example. Jesus was and is God, and Mary is His mother. Through her, God entered the world in human form. We agree with all that, and that’s one of the things we actually agree on in a formal sense.
And interestingly, too, Wikipedia says that “Theotokos” means something like “the one who gives birth to God,” rather than “Mother of God.” To that, Catholics would say, “mother” means “one who gives birth to.” Yet, the word “mother” isn’t used. So why should they have trouble with Protestants saying to them that Mary is the mother of Jesus, or the Christ? After all, even if the word God isn’t used, we believe Jesus Christ is God, so it is implicit in the belief that Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ, and hence, God - so long as someone believes that Jesus was and is God.
And then, furthermore, they say they believe just as we do - that Mary isn’t the mother of the eternal God. That isn’t what they mean by “Mother of God.” They mean that she is the mother of the Son of God in His Incarnation.
A lot of the controversy seems to involve the difficult nature of the Trinity, because the essential stated beliefs are the same.
The problem I believe we have as Protestants is that despite what Catholics say, in practice they treat Mary as God in many respects.
Bingo!
False; you added to the scripture by substituting the word "ye" for "he" and thus making it nonsense. I overlooked your capitializations and bolding which were your enhancements not found in the translation.
#2 I don't need to link or proofread or correct it. It's word for word.
False, you referenced an "NKJ" version that does not exist. Had you meant he NKJV version, your translation also does not match it.
#3 So, I'm guessing you're all out of accusations, answers or misdirection for me because Scripture proves me right and you wrong.
False, you added to the scripture and misattributed the translation; instead of correctly handling the scripture you doubled down and rejected correction.
You posted:
To: af_vet_1981 By sticking with Sola Scriptura we are on firm footing.
False; neither the Messiah nor the apostles gave that doctrine; it came along almost fifteen centuries later.
Proverbs 30:5,6 "Every Word of God is pure. He is a shield to them that put their trust in Him. Add thou NOT unto His Words, lest ye reprove thee, and thou be found a liar".
537 posted on 8/21/2015, 1:31:29 PM by BipolarBob (Hillary for prison in 2016!)
To: af_vet_1981; Elsie
NKJ version. Your Catholic Bible may have it worded/edited differently for doctrinal purposes.
555 posted on 08/21/2015 12:43:53 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Hillary for prison in 2016!)
I thought you would appreciate that bit of humor.
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
af_vet_1981 from post 592 False; you added to the scripture by substituting the word "ye" for "he" and thus making it nonsense. I overlooked your capitializations and bolding which were your enhancements not found in the translation.
af_vet_1981 in post 594 Since you mangled the scripture and refused to correct it I will post it correctly with proper attribution.
......Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Add not any thing to his words, lest thou be reproved, and found a liar: (Proverbs 30:6) Douay-Rheims
Looks like you deviated from the approved catholic bible also!
Mary is not dead, first of all, because NOBODY is dead.
What chapter did you mean to say?
But then one would be misspelling Balaam's name.
(Num 22:32b)
“Behold, I have come out to oppose you because your way is perverse before me.”
Well, goody for you. Did you learn anything from the text? Does the Word of God mean anything to you? You quibble over trivialities and miss the substance. You strain at a gnat and swallow the camel.
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