Posted on 08/17/2015 6:07:35 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
Why do I get this feeling, that you want me to say yes, then you will say, that means she is the mother of God. No, I do not accept that. Look bro, you can believe whatever you like about a host of different issues, but the only issue I care about, is what is the plan of salvation? Beyond that, I don't care too deeply about issues, that are important, but pale in comparison to the plan of salvation. Do you agree that the plan of salvation is infinitely more important than anything else?
In what way?
Matthew 15:16
"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.
Matthew 231. Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
2. "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
3. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
4. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5. "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;
6. they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
7. they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
8. "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
9. And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
10. Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
11. The greatest among you will be your servant.
12. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
13. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
14. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.
16. "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
17. You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
18. You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
19. You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
20. Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
21. And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
22. And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
23. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
24. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
25. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
26. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
28. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
29. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
30. And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
31. So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
32. Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
33. "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
34. Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
35. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
36. I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
37. "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
38. Look, your house is left to you desolate.
39. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "
Mark 7:26-27
26. The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
27. "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."
And St. Paul chimes in...
Galatians 5:12
As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
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I believe that Jesus would not want us to LOVE seeing anyone dragged through the mud.
Excellent summary. Good reach back to the OT on Judges. Really disproves the catholic claim on the IC.
Well Arthur I’m sorry I burst the bubble. But the first step is to define the particulars. You left out the biggest one of all. The Son of God is not a created being. He is the Creator. So my point still stands.
Unless you see John had it incorrectly, which I don’t believe you do.
Well when you omit VERY important data as in Mary, Sam, and Dorothy were all created beings and created by The Word of God, that makes your approach...incomplete.
I will point out that the Apostles when penning the Gospels and Acts do not engage in your gymnastics. They say "Mary the mother of Jesus."
But you are free to infer all you want. But that can become a dangerous exercise when dealing with the revealed written Word of God:
Compare the following:
God:
Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.
Someone else:
4 Then the serpent said to the woman, You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.
Key point above. Thanks.
Dumb argument.
Jesus Christ was also a human. After all, he died for our sins.
Jesus Christ was not a sinner.
Why would the Son of God be born of a sinner? Do you believe in original sin? And how it is passed on?
There are no other kind of humans who have a human father as their father.
Show us *original sin* from Scripture. I don't recall seeing the phrase anywhere last time I read it.
Do YOU know how sin is passed on? Here's a clue. It's not through osmosis.
The fact that Mary, Dorothy, and Sam are created beings, and God isn’t, is entirely irrelevant.
Good point!
Thanks!. Please, get back to be when one you all find that chapter and verse; until then, your criticism of the Blessed Mother does not stand.
If the prots can't provide biblical evidence that God the Father declared Jesus Christ to be God, i.e., "I am the Father of God": they have no claim to declare that Mary is not the Mother of God.
**Consider it a lesson as to whether a more Orthodox Protestant can correct the heresy of a devolved form of Protestantism if Catholicism is not involved.**
You assume your position is right, without countering with scripture. The common accusation toward Prots in general, is that they started with Luther. No, Luther was just the religious Donald Trump of his day. He saw the need to correct wrongs, and got the publicity. He benefited greatly thanks to the printing press being invented 70 years before his ‘rebellion’.
The printing press helped get out the Word, thus exposing the many unscriptural ideas held by the RCC. Up until then, it was easier for the RCC to try to silence the small pockets of true believers.
Do you believe John 12:44-50 and 14:6-11? Do you believe Peter’s marvelous testimony to Cornelius, concerning Jesus Christ?
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good...healing...for God was with him...Him God raised up...it is he that was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. Acts 10:38-43
God is IN the Son, without measure, as the Holy Ghost. The Father is the source of all things divine. Can you prove otherwise?
Tough Love works in many venues.
Yes; a whole line of them in fact.
One was a whore.
This is logic?
Yes, I, unlike some, remained Catholic all my life, attended Catholic school, paid attention during catechism class, demanded answers from clergy when I had questions, read fairly extensively on Catholic teachings, accepted the historical church and learned how she grew and matured through the centuries, and did not buy the pathetic excuses for those who decided to cause a revolution in Christianity to further their erroneous re-interpretations of God's word.
How about you show us where in Scripture the terms *mother of God* and *Blessed Mother* show up?
Then you’ll have some basis for legitimacy.
Bwahahahaha, that is the most spectacular piece of denial I’ve seen at FR in years! LOL
Desperation if ever I saw it.
How about showing us where the Holy spirit calls Mary *mother of God*?
If you can't then you have no claim to declare that she is.
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