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Assisted Dying Would Be ‘Profoundly Christian And Moral’ – Former Archbishop of Canterbury
Telegraph (UK) ^
| August 12, 2015
Posted on 08/12/2015 9:25:31 PM PDT by Steelfish
Assisted Dying Would Be Profoundly Christian And Moral Former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey dismisses pain is noble claim as Church of England brands assisted dying criminally naive
By John Bingham, 12 Aug 2015 Allowing doctors to help terminally ill people to take their own lives would be a profoundly Christian and moral thing to do, the former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey has insisted.
He dismissed arguments that enduring pain at the end of life is a noble thing and insisted that proper legal safeguards could be devised to ensure vulnerable people are not pressurised into ending their lives by greedy relatives.
His remarks, ahead of a Commons vote on assisted dying, underline a growing rift with the official position of the Church he once led. It came as one senior Church of England official condemned the attempts to change Britains euthanasia laws as criminally naive.
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posted on
08/12/2015 9:25:31 PM PDT
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Steelfish
To: Steelfish
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posted on
08/12/2015 9:30:35 PM PDT
by
Fungi
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To: Steelfish
I don't know where he gets the "pain is noble" thing. That's what painkillers are for. Nothing virtuous about being in pain if you don't have to be..
To: Steelfish
I do not accept the premise that people who WANT (or think they want) to die NEED HELP to die. With the exception of people who are paralyzed or otherwise completely immobile, someone who really has the will to die will find a way to do so. Those who enlist “assistance” to die have reservations about it and want someone else to make the decision and do the deed for them, or they are succumbing to pressure from others.
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posted on
08/12/2015 9:41:40 PM PDT
by
Huntress
("Politicians exploit economic illiteracy." --Walter Williams)
To: Bobalu
There is no nobility in enduring pain. If that endurance has purpose, yes there is. Sometimes there is no avoiding pain.
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posted on
08/12/2015 9:42:26 PM PDT
by
RobbyS
(quotes)
To: Steelfish
ensure vulnerable people are not pressurised
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posted on
08/12/2015 9:48:24 PM PDT
by
sparklite2
(Voting is acting white.)
To: hinckley buzzard
Nothing virtuous about being in pain if you don't have to be.. Actually there is. Read up on "mortification of the flesh" and "redemptive suffering".
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posted on
08/12/2015 9:48:45 PM PDT
by
steve86
(Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
To: Steelfish
By all means the archbishop first.
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posted on
08/12/2015 9:48:48 PM PDT
by
A CA Guy
( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
To: Steelfish
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posted on
08/12/2015 9:50:32 PM PDT
by
The Ghost of FReepers Past
(Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
To: Bobalu
agreed.....there is no need to assist dying....it happens, all by itself....
the patient can simply stop eating and drinking, take pain meds....death can not be denied, especially when the patient is already terminally ill....death would be welcomed.
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posted on
08/12/2015 9:51:18 PM PDT
by
cherry
To: Steelfish
leftist strawman. of course pain does not equal nobility. pain has nothing to do with any moral principle.
the endurance of pain, as our Lord did before and on the cross had a purpose. it is the pain that serves a godly purpose that is noble.
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posted on
08/12/2015 9:52:43 PM PDT
by
dadfly
To: Steelfish
I notice these leftwing “Chirstians” never quote scripture to back up their leftwing ideas
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posted on
08/12/2015 9:59:17 PM PDT
by
RginTN
To: RginTN
And the Anglicans continue their steady slide into apostasy.
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posted on
08/12/2015 10:18:01 PM PDT
by
NRx
(An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
To: Steelfish
Easing pain is not same as killing early with overdoses.
Hospices manage pain, they have no desire to end life early.
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posted on
08/12/2015 11:01:22 PM PDT
by
Secret Agent Man
(Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
To: Secret Agent Man
Some hospices hasten death with overdoses of pain meds.
The moral principle that has existed for longest time and still works is to give as much pain medication as necessary to relieve suffering even if it secondarily hastens death.
Not morally permissible is giving more medication than necessary and causing death.
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posted on
08/13/2015 1:20:05 AM PDT
by
amihow
To: RobbyS
There is no nobility in enduring pain. If that endurance has purpose, yes there is. Sometimes there is no avoiding pain. Go ahead. Fill us in on the purpose for enduring pain and tell us why it's so noble.
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posted on
08/13/2015 2:07:17 AM PDT
by
metmom
(...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
To: steve86
Many Christian sects idolize suffering per se, thinking any suffering ipso facto is in conformance to Christ’s suffering.
They were among those who fought against the adoption of modern surgical anesthesia, believing it better that the patient should be in full faculties.
They were wrong: suffering for the sake of works of love always makes sense because it is upheld by Christ’s suffering, but otherwise it is a self centered fetish. Why would the Lord say “I desire mercy, not sacrifice.”
To kill oneself would be a sin, but to risk death because of a treatment for pain would not be.
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posted on
08/13/2015 2:47:10 AM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
To: RginTN
The moral permission to put oneself to death would soon become the responsibility to do so. Without something that says “stop” the slope is greased Teflon.
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posted on
08/13/2015 2:50:27 AM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
To: steve86
Read up on "mortification of the flesh" and "redemptive suffering."
Consequent upon her deep Eucharistic love coupled with passionate Marian coredemptive fervor, Gemma was led to the ultimate sacrifice of her life in union with Jesus our Redeemer and Mary our Coredemptrix. On June 8, 1899, she first received the Sacred Stigmata, a major crowning point in her life of ultimate union with Our Lord on the Cross. From that point on, every Thursday around 8 p.m. she would weekly receive this redemptive experience which would remain until Friday around 3 p.m.
The other horrendous experience which she also received was His Crowning with thorns, such that once Christ appeared to her crowned with thorns, and, taking the crown from off His own head, He placed it on hers
This wonderful phenomenon recurred regularly for some time from the Thursday to the Friday of each week, and even continued after the stigmata in the hands, feet, and side had ceased
Sometimes, when at supper
drops of blood appeared upon her forehead, which
trickled down her cheeks and neck[22].
This very unique sharing in the sufferings of Christ came about through her sweeping, overwhelming desire to be united intimately with Jesus, particularly His Agony and Passion in which as Christians we find our hope, fulfilled in the Resurrection. -
regarding Gemma Galgani
http://www.stgemmagalgani.com/2011/12/spirituality-of-st-gemma-galgani.html#sthash.SHfRbBr4.dpuf
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posted on
08/13/2015 3:57:08 AM PDT
by
mlizzy
(America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe/Wade has deformed a great nation. -MT)
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