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Is There A Purgatory?
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Posted on 08/09/2015 11:06:27 AM PDT by Old Yeller

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To: terycarl

That’s a lot of personal information.

You should have that post removed.

I will pray for you.


581 posted on 08/13/2015 8:06:51 PM PDT by Syncro (Jesus Christ: The ONLY mediator between God and man)
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To: terycarl
Show an 8 year old child an empty cross and a Crucifix....then explain just How Christ died for us....which of the two will enable him to understand what happened????

Your question and the two choices you offer reveal your ignorance.

I'm sorry but you have such a limited view of the picture. Please go back and read or re-read the posts that talk about the power of the resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ. You need a better understanding of Christ's power over sin, hell, death and the grave and how we have access to that power in our transformed and sanctified lives.

Also, it is the power of the Holy Spirit that convicts us of our sin and our need for a Savior. Further, it is the Word of God (special revelation) that informs us of God's Plan of Salvation.

Finally, (speaking of symbols) my son came to Christ after understanding Jn 3:14 -- a bronze serpent set on a pole - He fully understood the representation of the type of Christ, and he gave his life to Christ as a result. He was 4 years old. He was baptized as a believer and he leads a wholesome life that is fully dependent of God.

I think I'm done with you on this round. Maybe we'll talk again sometime, but no more on this thread.

582 posted on 08/13/2015 8:08:40 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: metmom
If the priests don’t have enough discernment to not marry someone who is not capable of giving full consent, then he has no business being a priest and providing spiritual leadership. He has shown that he is unqualified for the job.

Yeah, we all know that everyone is 100% honest when talking with the priest.....that fling in Vegas, well, let's just not mention that and the fact that I am sterile, perhaps we'll just let that go unannounced.......too bad if she wants kids...

583 posted on 08/13/2015 8:20:20 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: metmom

Amen. I often think of the Lord healing the man born blind. That beautiful event set off a confrontation between a happy soul set free by God and a bunch of snakes! “You brood of vipers!” Boy were John the Baptist and Jesus right about them.

To think that a “nobody” could innocently and yet boldly go up against a religious power structure like that and SHAME THEM, wow! Metmom, if the Son of Man sets you free you shall be free INDEED! Praise Him!


584 posted on 08/13/2015 8:20:37 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: terycarl
Nope, MANY reasons why a valid marriage doesn't exist...after wedding, wife/husband states that they are not open to having children, either is not capable of consummating the marriage, find out that you are too closely related to each other (perhaps an adoption situation), find out that one or the other was coerced into the marriage, find out that one or the other had been previously married and the marriage had not been dissolved (Las Vegas Quickie),...I have no idea of how many there are, but people do strange things.....

All which should have been addressed in the pre-cana classes if the priest was doing his job properly.

There should be no excuse for a priest even marrying people in which those situations have not been thoroughly addressed.

Again, it's just excuses.

Annulment breaks the one flesh relationship between a married man and woman by using conditions that are NEVER found in Scripture.

In short, it's just a man-made contrivance to allow for a person to get out of a marriage without calling it a divorce. The end result is the same however, thus making annulment church sanctioned divorce.

585 posted on 08/13/2015 8:20:38 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: tired&retired

Beware of fallen angels. They lie with a brilliance you cannot match.


586 posted on 08/13/2015 8:23:09 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: metmom
The RCC has NO say or control over my life or my salvation. That is in the hands of Jesus. He is the only one who has the right to do that.

You are a Catholic...thus bound by Catholic teachings.....as are ALL Christians, in reality.

587 posted on 08/13/2015 8:23:32 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: terycarl; kinsman redeemer; Syncro
What if the wife discovered that her husband was the baby boy that her mother had, and gave up for adoption when she was 15??....still a valid marriage????

And that happens all the time, right?

It sounds an awful lot like the arguments for supporting abortion.

What if........(posit some rare to never occurring scenario to justify disobeying God.)?

588 posted on 08/13/2015 8:24:24 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: terycarl
Yeah, we all know that everyone is 100% honest when talking with the priest.....that fling in Vegas, well, let's just not mention that and the fact that I am sterile, perhaps we'll just let that go unannounced.......too bad if she wants kids...

Sure and men know they're sterile before they are married just how often?

And adoption is not an option?

Where in Scripture does God state that not wanting children is a reason for breaking the marriage vow?

589 posted on 08/13/2015 8:27:16 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: terycarl
You are a Catholic...thus bound by Catholic teachings.....as are ALL Christians, in reality.

In your dreams.....

Hmmm. Does that mean then, that I can now post on Catholic caucus threads after all?

590 posted on 08/13/2015 8:29:20 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Syncro
That’s a lot of personal information. You should have that post removed. I will pray for you.

What personal information????....it was a legitimate question, would that be a valid marriage?????

591 posted on 08/13/2015 8:29:47 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: terycarl
You are a Catholic...thus bound by Catholic teachings.....as are ALL Christians, in reality.

Nope. Only Catholics are bound by Catholic teachings.

I belong to Jesus, not the Catholic church, and it has NO say over me, my life, what I do, whatever, and much as it's controlling little heart wants, it can't control me because whom the SON sets free is free indeed.

And I am free in Jesus.

592 posted on 08/13/2015 8:32:04 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
In short, it's just a man-made contrivance to allow for a person to get out of a marriage without calling it a divorce. The end result is the same however, thus making annulment church sanctioned divorce.

Being naive is so much easier than accepting reality.....

593 posted on 08/13/2015 8:35:39 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: terycarl

I’m so sorry to hear that you are in that position, but maybe some day you will understand that what God has put together, man should not break apart.


594 posted on 08/13/2015 8:38:46 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
Where in Scripture does God state that not wanting children is a reason for breaking the marriage vow?

A marriage that is not open to procreation is not a valid marriage.

595 posted on 08/13/2015 8:40:13 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: terycarl
What personal information?

Oh, thought it was something involving you.

I can't imagine anyone making up something that depraved and sick involving generational rape and incest just to disprove the Bible.

it was a legitimate question

Maybe for a leftist hate site or a porn site, but not here at Free Republic in the Religion Forum.

Just as legitimate as asking if a lesbian monkey could marry a cat, if they were both blessed during the Blessing of pets and animals last Oct.

Would that be a legitimate marriage??????

596 posted on 08/13/2015 8:43:57 PM PDT by Syncro (Jesus Christ: The ONLY mediator between God and man)
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To: metmom
I’m so sorry to hear that you are in that position, but maybe some day you will understand that what God has put together, man should not break apart.

Good grief, a "protestant" explaining the sanctity of marriage....I know that a valid marriage lasts forever and cannot be dissolved, I also know that a legal divorce does not dissolve a sanctified marriage, I also know that divorce and remarriage means that you are living in a state of adultery. I also know that there are valid reasons why a valid marriage did not take place.....shotgun weddings for example.

597 posted on 08/13/2015 8:47:07 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: terycarl
A marriage that is not open to procreation is not a valid marriage.

Thank you, that answers the question of whether Joseph and Mary had an "open to procreation" marriage, and the answer, as the Bible confirms, is yes.

Joseph was told to wait for Jesus to be born before having sexual relations with his wife.

Unless of course you don't see Joseph and Mary's marriage as being valid.

598 posted on 08/13/2015 8:47:56 PM PDT by Syncro (Jesus Christ: The ONLY mediator between God and man)
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To: Syncro
I can't imagine anyone making up something that depraved and sick involving generational rape and incest just to disprove the Bible.

You obviously misunderstood my question.

The wife discovers that her husband is her brother....the baby brother that her mother gave birth to when her mother was 15, six years before the new wife was born....there is nothing depraved here....it happens all the time that kids discover that they have a long lost brother/sister that was born when their moms were teenagers.....

599 posted on 08/13/2015 8:53:09 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: Syncro
Unless of course you don't see Joseph and Mary's marriage as being valid.

I have no idea as to what constitutes a valid Jewish marriage.

600 posted on 08/13/2015 8:56:48 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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