Posted on 08/09/2015 11:06:27 AM PDT by Old Yeller
Jesus is the TRUE light that lights every man. I was referring to the realm that MASQUERADES as an angel of light. Let the reader judge.
Baloney!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't need to be involved with the demonic in order to be open to the Holy Spirit.
“Are you now saying that Jesus is occult as He did these very things many times? I would strongly disagree.”
Really? Please point me to where Jesus did what you fancied yourself doing with the ill-suited Italian soul. Like I said, you can ply this theme only with the gullible who are listening to deceitful spirits that teach doctrines of demons and the so-called deep secrets (occult = knowledge of the hidden) of Satan.
The FReepers rooted in God’s Word—the plumb-line that tests all “experience”—have given you no quarter in your fanciful imaginations. I’ve studied much New Age mumbo jumbo and your lingo is straight from there, blending in the words of Christ but missing/changing their meaning.
Well, SON there is no secret to it. It is proclaimed openly by His representative named Paul of Tarsus, and the Four Gospel accounts by Matthew Mark Luke and John. It is no secret that Believe on Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Even Jesus stated it openly in several places recorded by the Gospel accounts. Believe on Jesus Christ. When the Pharisees demanded to know what they must do, Jesus replied very forthrightly with : John 6:29 Jesus answered them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent."
When Nicodemus, a member of the Sanhedrin, came to Jesus by night to ask about Messiah, Jesus told him: John 3:3Jesus answered him, "Most certainly, I tell you, unless one is born anew, he can't see the Kingdom of God." ... 14 "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
Denial is not just a river in Egypt, SON.
You have shown yourself to be a patient witness in these discussions, which is also very helpful and instructive.
Thank you!
You are being deceived and willingly it would appear. Satan used a similar trick on Eve, telling her that God said they could eat of every tree in the Garden. When Even offered a weak correction, satan countered with an assertion designed to cancel doubt and do the wrong thing.
The Holy Spirit of God is not manipulated nor does He manipulate. He comes into the cleansed spirit and a person is thus born from above. You make assertions that are fashioned upon a lie. You assert that we must not deny all spirits because we will deny the Holy Spirit. That is a satanic lie designed to keep your gate open to the deceiver.
One cannot manipulate God's Holy Spirit. He places His Spirit in the faither. A man does not put Him in them and they cannot put Him out of them. Jesus assured every one of that, if you have God's Spirit in you: John 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."
The Bible is clear that we are not to consult the spirit realm. You cannot deny Him who is in you, if you are actually born from above. So denying deceiving, cloying spirits cannot bring you to deny Him Who is in you. If one is listening to 'spirits' the Spirit of God is not in them, because He will not allow them to be plucked from the two hands of God. Iplead with you to examine yourself to see what spirit is deceiving you, before it is too late.
“chapter, verse and translation/version please.”
Isaiah 8:19-20 NIV
Here is the King James Translation:
19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Some spirits have light in them that shines as bright as can be. Yes, satan tries to imitate the Light to deceive people. But he can only deceive you with your intellect and logic if you cannot truly see his soul. There is no mistaking satan’s soul as when you see it, it is dark, heavy and when you feel it, it is ice cold and draws your Light away from your soul.
God’s unconditional Love is the exact opposite of satan’s energy. It is bright, freeing, light and unconditional while satan is controlling and conditional to manipulate you.
You are completely mis-reading this text if you think it is a command to consult the dead. It is warning not to consult the dead, but rather, to consult God.
“You are completely mis-reading this text if you think it is a command to consult the dead. It is warning not to consult the dead, but rather, to consult God.”
You and I are in 100% agreement on this.
This is why Jesus said to the man who wanted to follow Jesus after the he went and buried his father, “Let the dead bury the dead.”
The term dead vs alive is also used to mean full of the Holy Spirit vs empty whether a spirit is in the body or separated from one.
“Jesus didn’t negotiate with dead spirits.”
“He commanded evil spirits and ordered them out.”
Your are going in circles by trying to incorrectly state my words. And then arguing with what I did not say.
First, if Jesus commanded spirits, He communicated with them.
Second, I never said I negotiated with spirits. I too command them in Jesus’ name. Or, I merely deal with spirits by praying to my Father in Heaven to take care of them.
Nothing unscriptural about this.
“Testing the spirits”, in the context of 1 John has to do with the TEACHING of false antichrists who “went out from us” (John and the others). It has nothing to do with spiritism or demonism. The false teachers TAUGHT lies from Satan. Test THOSE spirits, the proclamations emanating from principalities and powers in the heavenlies, spoken out by PEOPLE who listen to them and want to share them.
You are dealing with the demonic. They are posing as dead people.
You can’t help those already dead.
They are in God’s hands and it’s HIS job to deal with them.
Focus on the living. The dead are beyond our help.
Don't just THINK; know!
As to discernment, when you can read the soul you immediately know the purity of it and have discernment.
This sure beats MIND reading; which is a NO-NO on FR!
Dang!
I'll have to get out my flippin' coin!
But if you persist in accepting all spirits, you will end up failing to discern the Holy Spirit.
And that ladies and gentlemen, is exactly why you read a verse in context and understand the audience and issue the writer is addressing.
John is not advocating testing the spirits of the dead or communicating with those.
That damned Luther removed:
...that whoever believes in him and performs all the required sacrements should not perish, but have eternal life."
Actually; Satan created DOUBT with a question:
Did GOD REALLY say...?
It is NOT recorded that Eve had heard the voice of GOD before this time; so she had no FACTS to back up HER statement; which included...
...or TOUCH IT.
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