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How one skeptical scientist came to believe the Shroud of Turin
cna ^ | August 4, 2015 | Ann Schneible

Posted on 08/04/2015 3:01:50 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 08/04/2015 3:01:50 PM PDT by NYer
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Ping!


2 posted on 08/04/2015 3:02:22 PM PDT by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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Ping!


3 posted on 08/04/2015 3:03:59 PM PDT by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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Shroud of Turin PING

If you want on or off the Shroud Ping List, Freepmail me.

4 posted on 08/04/2015 3:05:09 PM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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Ping!


5 posted on 08/04/2015 3:05:27 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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The Shroud is absolutely fascinating. I’m convinced it’s Christ’s burial cloth


6 posted on 08/04/2015 3:07:52 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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What else could it be? All the alternative explanations fail miserably against the evidence. But still people will deny because....well...as per the article:

“I think the reason skeptics deny the science is, if they accept any of that, their core beliefs have been dramatically challenged, and they would have to go back and reconfigure who they are and what they believe in,” he said. “It’s much easier to reject it out of hand, and not worry about it. That way they don’t have to confront their own beliefs.”

7 posted on 08/04/2015 3:13:23 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Abortion is murder)
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I am convinced the Shroud is His burial cloth and the image was burned into it when He converted back to His true form aka rose from the dead.

We probably don’t have even an inkling of the nature of “matter” that makes up an immortal resurrected form (one which by definition is not subject to entropy), but conversion from our matter to that “matter” could very well involve a release of a LOT of energy that might just etch an image into anything in proximity (c.f. the “shadows” cast be people onto stone walls at Hiroshima).


8 posted on 08/04/2015 3:17:41 PM PDT by piytar (Good will be called evil and Evil will be called good.)
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Just wait until he starts reading the New Testament...


9 posted on 08/04/2015 3:18:54 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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I’ve read this guys story. Every time they try to prove the shroud a fake it strengthens the belief in it.


10 posted on 08/04/2015 3:25:03 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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What else could it be?

There is one justification to support the authenticity of the Shroud that I have never seen put forward ... the wounds on his head that line up with the crown of thorns. There were many crucifixions at that time but how many of these victims were given a crown of thorns to wear. The crown was given in mockery of our Lord's testimony to His heavenly kingdom. For non believers, those wounds stand as testimony to the only one history records as having been given a crown of thorns.

11 posted on 08/04/2015 3:28:18 PM PDT by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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I’ve always believed the Shroud is real for the simple reason that the technology to create it didn’t exist until the past few decades and it is older than that.

It is not man-made. Nothing in modern science can say that.

Therefore it is something beyond man and to me that means God.


12 posted on 08/04/2015 3:32:29 PM PDT by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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(c.f. the “shadows” cast be people onto stone walls at Hiroshima).

You might be on to something. Shadows of three dimensional beings are two dimensional. "Shadows" of four dimensional beings should be three dimensional. Perhaps this "3D" image is some sort of manifestation of that.

I strongly think our Lord is a multi-dimensional being, if you want to strive and place a limited human understanding on the nature of God.

13 posted on 08/04/2015 3:36:34 PM PDT by Rinnwald
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To: MeganC
the technology to create it didn’t exist until the past few decades

The technology to create the Shroud still doesn't exist. Nobody has been able to duplicate the image.

14 posted on 08/04/2015 3:40:09 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Abortion is murder)
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There’s a book called “How Skin Bacteria Created the Image on the Shroud of Turin,” by Stephen Mattingly. Does anyone know if Schwortz has ever addressed that theory? Should be an easy one to test.


15 posted on 08/04/2015 3:43:45 PM PDT by Buttons12
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A very cool article.

“...adding that science is unable to test for the sort of images that would be produced by a human body rising from the dead.”

How does anyone know what sort of images are produced by a human body rising from the dead? I don’t get it.

Freegards


16 posted on 08/04/2015 3:47:57 PM PDT by Ransomed
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AMEN, I second it!


17 posted on 08/04/2015 3:49:58 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: HerrBlucher

Has anyone tried?


18 posted on 08/04/2015 3:53:43 PM PDT by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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Who knows? But they would have had to, and succeeded, in order to claim that the tech exists today to create it. Likely the ONLY way to create it is the resurrection of the “glorified” human body.


19 posted on 08/04/2015 4:03:44 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Abortion is murder)
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If skin bacteria created the Shroud, there would be one hell of a lot of shroudlike images from the gazillions of dead people that have been covered in cloth of some sort. That is one of the incredible things about the Shroud, there is only one and it just happens to be the burial cloth of Christ.


20 posted on 08/04/2015 4:07:33 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Abortion is murder)
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