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To: Hebrews 11:6
"And without faith it is impossible to please God,

You have a poor translation.

It 'really' says...

"And without faith and Sacrements it is impossible to please God,

72 posted on 07/23/2015 6:41:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Well, Elsie, do you mind citing the evidence for your confident assertion? Because here's what the original Greek says (Stevens 1550 & Scriveners 1894 Textus Receptus, Byzatine Majority, Alexandrian, Westcott-Hort 1881, Tregelles):

ΧωΡΙϹ ΔΕ ΠΙϹΤΕωϹ ΑΔΥΝΑΤΟΝ ΕΥΑΡΕϹΤΗϹΑΙ

"chOris de pisteOs adunaton euarestEsai"

"Apart from faith it is impossible to please well..."

I see no evidence for "sacraments," even by implication.

74 posted on 07/23/2015 7:45:24 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Elsie
By the way, for the sake of completeness: Your argument gains no ground by appealing to the context, either. Hebrews 11 lists dozens of examples of people (1) believing, and then (2) acting on their faith, while never mentioning anything about sacraments. It eloquently made the point that the key to pleasing God is faith plus nothing.

The list includes:
the ancients
Abel
Enoch
Noah
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph
Moses
the Israelites
Rahab
Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel

82 posted on 07/23/2015 9:18:06 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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