To: teppe; Normandy; StormPrepper; WilliamRobert

I am also a practicing Member of the LDS Church (Mormons).

DUDE!

Where have you BEEN!

I've been searching all OVER for you!

You got some GREAT advice here!! ---->

Christ himself has stated “Judge not that ye be not judged, for with that same judgment that ye judge, ye shall surely be judged” Matt. 7:1-3

Do they STILL teach this stuff where you worshbip??

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

41 posted on 07/22/2015 12:56:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

I believe that all followers of Christ should take pause before they pass judgment on who is acceptable before Christ and who is not.

Indeed; indeed!

Just like Mormon Scripture says....

THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 132

51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to ^aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.

52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, ^areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.

53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been ^afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.

54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and ^acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be ^bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.

55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ^ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of ^beternal lives in the eternal worlds.

56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid ^aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to ^brejoice.

Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???

Eliza was a devout Mormon.

At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma).

In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and

knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.

Wow!!

I guess ol' Emma got VAPORIZED by GOD!!!

We know that multiply him thing sure didn't work out!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Joseph_Smith,_Jr.

42 posted on 07/22/2015 12:58:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (KJV)

http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/15-1.htm

43 posted on 07/22/2015 12:59:49 PM PDT by Semper Mark (Vlad Tepes was a piker.)

I believe that all followers of Christ should take pause before they pass judgment on who is acceptable before Christ and who is not.

Indeed; indeed!

Cause one HAS to get Christ's approval to enter Heaven; at ANY level!

Oh...

And Joseph's; too.

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."

- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321

"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."

- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88

"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"

- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)

There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"

- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."

- Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155

"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"

- Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670

They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.

He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.

He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.

As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.

Who has made this so?

Have I?

Have this people?

Have the world?

No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.

If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.

If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.

Can you pass without his inspection?

No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.

In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.

They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?

They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?

Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224

44 posted on 07/22/2015 1:00:34 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

And it is Christ’s prerogative alone to decide who is acceptable to him.

Oooops!

I guess those older, wiser Mormon leaders were WRONG in the quotes above.

Oh well; that was then, and this is ...

45 posted on 07/22/2015 1:02:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

So you assert something, say the Bible teaches it, I ask where, and you become silent as the tomb, change the subject, and then say I’m the argumentive one.

You’ve really done your Lord proud.

“but sanctify in your hearts Christ as Lord: being ready always to give answer to every man that asketh you a reason concerning the hope that is in you, yet with meekness and fear:” I Pet. 3.15

46 posted on 07/22/2015 1:02:57 PM PDT by FNU LNU (Nothing runs like a Deere, nothing smells like a john)

I understand now why your Tag line reads, “I have no proof.”

Knarf is a MORMON???

47 posted on 07/22/2015 1:03:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Y’owe me a keyboard, Elsie !

48 posted on 07/22/2015 1:06:06 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)

To: FNU LNU; knarf

Jesus commanded the intensely personal relationship required, in John 3:3:
"In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."

And again, in Luke 9:23:

"Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me." "

Jesus discounted ancestry, inheritance, allegiance, religion, etc., as bases for righteousness before God, in Matthew 3:9 (and Luke 3:8):

"And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham." "

Thomas exemplified the necessary personal faith, in John 20:28:

"Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" "

God described the personal grace He would bestow, in Hebrews 8:10:

"This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people."

It is unnecessary for a concept to be named specifically in order to be true. For example, the word "Trinity" appears nowhere in the Bible, yet it is clearly taught in many places. So, with the need for personal salvation, and thus a personal Savior.

49 posted on 07/22/2015 1:16:53 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)

To: Hebrews 11:6

Thanks for your efforts, Hebrews. I’ll leave it to the audience to judge whether you get the cigar or not.

50 posted on 07/22/2015 1:30:56 PM PDT by FNU LNU (Nothing runs like a Deere, nothing smells like a john)

Just wanted to take the challenge by organizing my thoughts so I can always be prepared. Haven’t had a good stogie in forty years.

51 posted on 07/22/2015 1:34:16 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)

Quote-For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

What floored me is how Paul preached Passover,unleavened bread and First Fruits according to scripture.

And with study, that is different than Good Friday,Holy Saturday and Easter Sunday, the gospel according to Rome’s catechism and calendar.

Not sure people see the subtle difference between ‘according to scripture’ and ‘according to catechism’

But it might be because everybody uses Rome’s calendar.

If that by a basic definition is ‘another gospel’, it may be worth investigating-

as scripture warns to be on guard for those who teach another gospel

52 posted on 07/22/2015 1:52:27 PM PDT by delchiante

If that by a basic definition is ‘another gospel’, it may be worth investigating-

as scripture warns to be on guard for those who teach another gospel

1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) 2And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

3Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, 4Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: 5To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 1 1-10 (KJV)

53 posted on 07/22/2015 2:16:50 PM PDT by Semper Mark (Vlad Tepes was a piker.)

I ask YOU .... what to YOU is salvation ?

54 posted on 07/22/2015 2:21:52 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)

Add it to my bill...

55 posted on 07/22/2015 2:47:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

What floored me is how Paul preached Passover,unleavened bread and First Fruits according to scripture.

It seems like most anything 'according to Scripture' is a novelty these days!

56 posted on 07/22/2015 2:49:31 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Jesus saves people, not organizations or groups.

He saves individuals.

While on earth, He reached out to individuals, one at a time.

He dwells in our hearts through faith.

It doesn’t get more personal than that.

57 posted on 07/22/2015 4:12:28 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)

To: avenir; knarf; Colonel_Flagg; Roman_War_Criminal

Good morning. Well, it's morning here. 😇

58 posted on 07/22/2015 5:11:35 PM PDT by Mark17 (When I see the mountain, covered with snow, fallen from Heaven above. Makes me feel so small)

59 posted on 07/22/2015 5:22:19 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)

Nicely said. Thanks.

60 posted on 07/22/2015 5:26:03 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)

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