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5 reasons to seriously doubt the story the papacy likes to tell about its origins
Dominic Tennant's Bnonn Blog ^ | February 4, 2014 | James T. Shotwell, Louise Ropes Loomis

Posted on 07/16/2015 4:09:21 PM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: MHGinTN

Certainly I have never said that works save anyone. Works are simply the evidence of faith. Grace will not save the faithless. Again you show me your works and I will show you your faith said the Apostle James.


82 posted on 07/18/2015 6:28:12 AM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

When you said “it is certainly worth your time to know the saving Gospel of Grace that can alone lead you to eternal life.” I would agree completely. But when you look at your statement there is an important word, “lead”.

Faith can lead you to Grace and Grace can lead you to that Eternal life.


83 posted on 07/18/2015 6:30:24 AM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: goodwithagun
Making the thread 'about' another Freeper is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

84 posted on 07/18/2015 6:40:58 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: JAKraig
Would you agree that James was referring to the perspective of men? James was teaching that discernment may be more accurate by looking at the fruit of the Life of God in the person, not that the work would put the life of God in the person. In no way does the work place God's life into the human spirit. That is a function of God's Holy Spirit and is not dripped in via faithfulness to sacraments or pagan rites of eating the god of the pagan worship. To put so much emphasis on doing the sacramental trail, the sincere seeker is lead into striving to obtain eternal life, when God Promises to cleanse immediately and place His life into the cleansed soul by enlivening the dead human spirit. THEN the works mete for discerning the life that is in the person will glorify The Christ not the catholic.

Catholicism is a works based religion, teaching sincere people that they must work to obtain eternal life. The Truth is, straight from scriptures, that a born from above person will have a lifetime thereafter working but the glory is due the Lord not the worker, for eternal life is not earned, it is the Gift of God lest any man or woman boast.

85 posted on 07/18/2015 6:56:03 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Salvation

You didn’t answer my question.


86 posted on 07/18/2015 6:56:49 AM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: JAKraig

Faith in The Christ as your Deliverer from the disease of sin results in immediate ‘born from above’. THEN His life indwells you to show the works of righteousness that He originates through you. Grace is not a reward fro diligence. To believe that is contrary to what God says in His Word. Sadly, that striving to obtain is the gospel of catholiciism but not eh Gospel of God’s Grace in Christ Jesus.


87 posted on 07/18/2015 6:59:07 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Salvation

The following link at FR was written specifically to you, dear One; please read it: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3311956/posts?page=241#241


88 posted on 07/18/2015 7:01:29 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: RnMomof7
What you mean is it is not Roman Catholic truth...There is No evidence that Peter was ever Bishop of Rome. NONE..

I know you're taking a lot of heat lately, try to not let it get you down. There are a lot of Born Again Christians who really don't know the history of Christianity, or what the RCC demands it's adherents believe.

Scripture does not substantiate the perpetuated Peterine papacy of Rome. The Bible is clear that Jesus is THE ROCK DT. 32:4, ICor. 10:4, which Peter also attests IPt. 2:8. Not one command is given in the NT for the church to submit to Peter as it's "supreme leader", or one example of it. Peter refers to himself as an "elder", "apostle" and a "servant" IPt. 5:1, 2Pt. 1:1 and he was married Mt. 8:14, ICor. 9:4. Also, he would not let a man bow down to him Acts 10:25-26.

IOW, even if there were some historical evidence that Peter founded and ran the church in Rome during the Apostolic Era there is no support for what it has devolved into.

89 posted on 07/18/2015 7:17:24 AM PDT by wmfights (a stranger in a hostile and foreign land that used to be my home)
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To: JAKraig; MHGinTN
Works are simply the evidence of faith. Grace will not save the faithless. Again you show me your works and I will show you your faith said the Apostle James.

It's good to know Scripture.

The question is not whether a believer will do good works. The question is are those good works a prerequisite to being saved or a product of something that has already occurred.

90 posted on 07/18/2015 7:27:00 AM PDT by wmfights (a stranger in a hostile and foreign land that used to be my home)
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To: wmfights

Selah!


91 posted on 07/18/2015 7:48:13 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN
Thank you.

I know there are a lot of people who are opposed to Sola Scriptura, but the answers are there. The whole issue of church structure is explained in Scrpiture.

92 posted on 07/18/2015 8:12:36 AM PDT by wmfights (a stranger in a hostile and foreign land that used to be my home)
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To: wmfights
There are a lot of Born Again Christians who really don't know the history of Christianity

I can agree with that.

96 posted on 07/18/2015 3:17:43 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

It does create division, and recently others have claimed that they aren’t contributing due to those issues. Freepathons are taking a long time.


98 posted on 07/18/2015 3:25:08 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun

Stop making this or any thread ‘about’ another Freeper.


99 posted on 07/18/2015 6:03:22 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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