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1 posted on 07/14/2015 12:59:07 PM PDT by NYer
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Ping!


2 posted on 07/14/2015 12:59:23 PM PDT by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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To: NYer

Hey Vicar of Christ, stick to the spiritual.


3 posted on 07/14/2015 1:00:36 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: NYer

Has any Pope in my lifetime “got” America?


4 posted on 07/14/2015 1:06:03 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: NYer

Just send him “Road to Serfdom” by FA Hayek.


5 posted on 07/14/2015 1:07:29 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: NYer

maybe he’ll learn something if he really does read the criticisms. He sounds to me like he’s never even considered that there’s less poverty where there is a more free economy.....


6 posted on 07/14/2015 1:08:09 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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so.....now he is going to tailor his message to people in each country he visits, based on what they want to hear?


7 posted on 07/14/2015 1:10:12 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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Before arriving in the United States in September, Pope Francis said, he will study American criticisms of his critiques of the global economy and finance. “I have heard that some criticisms were made in the United States — I’ve heard that — but I have not read them and have not had time to study them well,” the Pope told reporters traveling with him from Paraguay back to Rome on July 12. “If I have not dialogued with the person who made the criticism,” he said, “I don’t have the right” to comment on what the person’s saying.

Pope Francis said his assertion in Bolivia on July 9 that “this economy kills” is something he believes and has explained in his exhortation “The Joy of the Gospel” and more recently in his encyclical on the environment. In the Bolivia speech to grass-roots activists, many of whom work with desperately poor people, the Pope described the predominant global economic system as having “the mentality of profit at any price with no concern for social exclusion or the destruction of nature.”

Asked if he planned to make similar comments in the United States despite the negative reaction his comments have drawn from some US pundits, politicians and economists, Pope Francis said that now that his trip to South America has concluded, he must begin “studying” for his September trip to Cuba and the United States; the preparation, he said, will include careful reading of criticisms of his remarks about economic life.


8 posted on 07/14/2015 1:12:27 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: NYer

Can he just stay in Rome? We got enough false prophets here in the States. We don’t need another, even if he is just visiting.


11 posted on 07/14/2015 1:24:55 PM PDT by dware (Yeah, so? What are we going to do about it?)
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I think the problem is that he is extensively educated in economics.

Even in the US the odds of getting Friedman or Mises Austrian School of Economics oriented approach is about the same as winning the powerball jackpot.

So his extensive background follows the trend of most economic approaches of the 20th Century which is a Marxist approach.

So the odds of changing his mind is extremely small.


15 posted on 07/14/2015 1:38:08 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: NYer

When this guy gets over here I’m waiting for his visits to where the poor live . When the TVs, air conditioners, refridgerators, and washing machines, will all suddenly dissappear from view. In any New York Times,Wapoo,CNN coverage as he launches his crusade against capitalism.


17 posted on 07/14/2015 1:54:29 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Some of my best rebuttals are in FR's along with meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: NYer

A Pope or Economist only God knows


18 posted on 07/14/2015 1:55:10 PM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: NYer

“not had time to study them well”
He’s had many decades to study economics and hasn’t. What are the odds he won’t catch up in a week? He is typical of most from Catholic institutions.

DePaul has a good econ prof. But he is rare. One centuries long mistake is confusing what Jesus and the Bible tell Christians to do with forcibly imposing that religious practice on everyone through government.

A second mistake that is becoming increasingly common is the religion of Cain. Cain wanted to avoid answering God’s question. So Cain came up with Satan’s theology.

No, I am not my brother’s keeper. I am my brother’s brother. There is a big difference. They “keep” pets, prisoners, zoos, slaves, plantation dwellers. That is not the Christian way of relating to one’s brother.


19 posted on 07/14/2015 2:01:15 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: NYer

Between the sex abuse scandals, absurd liberal positions taken by church officials and now the Pope’s Maxist rantings, I am glad I left the Church years ago.


21 posted on 07/14/2015 2:49:05 PM PDT by The Great RJ (“Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money.” Margaret Thatcher)
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To: NYer
Pope Francis: ‘I’ll read critiques of my Marx's economic ideas ahead of US trip’

There was a small typo. I fixed it!
22 posted on 07/14/2015 2:55:09 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: NYer

This proves even Popes can be mistaken. They are not protected from error in matters other than faith snd morals an then not in all statements.
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But he is no worse than almost all of those on the left, right, and middle.

What a well and sparsly regulated capitalism has done is produce a vigorous middle class. Without a strong middle class, the poor cannot rise above poverty. There is no where to go. Maybe from poor to less poor. But rarely can the poor rise to upperclass wealth.

Thank you modern day Democrats,Republicans, Libertarians,Marxistse etc and etc.


24 posted on 07/14/2015 3:05:26 PM PDT by amihow
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To: NYer

Jorge just may find that Catholic Americans do not appreciate his BS left wing preaching. I would not walk even 5 feet to see this idiot. My message to Jorge is, “Stay in your Vatican hotel room, shut your pie hole and read the Bible.”


26 posted on 07/14/2015 3:37:36 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: NYer
The crucifix, the Pope said, obviously fits into the category of "protest art," which some people may find offensive, although he said he did not. “I’m talking it home with me,” Pope Francis said.




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"Thus the USSR became the first state to have, as an ideological objective, the elimination of religion and its replacement with universal atheism. The communist regime confiscated religious property, ridiculed religion, harassed believers, and propagated atheism in schools. The confiscation of religious assets was often based on accusations of illegal accumulation of wealth."
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"The vast majority of people in the Russian empire were, at the time of the revolution, religious believers, whereas the communists aimed to break the power of all religious institutions and eventually replace religious belief with atheism. "Science" was counterposed to "religious superstition" in the media and in academic writing. The main religions of pre-revolutionary Russia persisted throughout the entire Soviet period, but they were only tolerated within certain limits. Generally, this meant that believers were free to worship in private and in their respective religious buildings (churches, mosques, etc.), but public displays of religion outside of such designated areas were prohibited. In addition, religious institutions were not allowed to express their views in any type of mass media, and many religious buildings were demolished or used for other purposes."
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"Mass killings occurred under some Communist regimes during the twentieth century with an estimated death toll numbering between 85 and 100 million."
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27 posted on 07/14/2015 3:42:51 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Woe to those who call evil good and good evil!" Isaiah 5:20)
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To: NYer
Asked why he talks so much about the rich and the poor and so rarely about middle-class people who work and pay taxes, Pope Francis thanked the journalist for pointing out his omission and said, “I do need to delve further into this magisterium."

This magisterium? Wut?

28 posted on 07/14/2015 3:55:46 PM PDT by piusv
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I am Catholic. I believe in the Catholic religion.

This man should be ignored.


29 posted on 07/14/2015 4:07:54 PM PDT by Maris Crane
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Seems to me he needs to read several Papal Encyclicals before he bothers with reading what people have to say about his recent remarks.


32 posted on 07/14/2015 8:25:49 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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