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Francis on Prophets of Doom
Fatima Perspectives ^ | July 11,2015 | Christopher A. Ferrara

Posted on 07/11/2015 4:55:51 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: metmom

What fascinating times in which we live!


21 posted on 07/12/2015 10:32:35 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: daniel1212; metmom; boatbums; presently no screen name; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer
It's stunning how little most Catholics know about how much they are to submit "will and intellect" or be considered anathema. Looks like many of them are now playing their own pope of self alone! Hmmmmm! Where have I heard that expression before?
22 posted on 07/12/2015 10:36:09 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: caww
>>Do they really follow and obey the Popes teachings???<<

Many popes of self alone amongst Catholics lately.

23 posted on 07/12/2015 10:38:09 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear
I have never had someone attack me for saying that Jesus is the who said He was, by falsely claiming that because I believe Jesus then I automatically reject the Trinity.

Examine your own conscience.

24 posted on 07/12/2015 11:12:29 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: SkyPilot

Um,,,,,you do realize I was only including you in the ping because the original post was to you right?


25 posted on 07/12/2015 11:25:59 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Iscool
To the shepherds alone was given all power to teach, to judge, to direct; on the faithful was imposed the duty of following their teaching, of submitting with docility to their judgment, and of allowing themselves to be governed, corrected, and guided by them in the way of salvation. Thus, it is an absolute necessity for the simple faithful to submit in mind and heart to their own pastors , and for the latter to submit with them to the Head and Supreme Pastor..

Is this what God actually tells us??? Heaven forbid...God gave us the instruction manual with God as the author...He told us to search the scriptures to know what he teaches, not to put our trust in other men...

While the magisterial office is valid in Scripture , and general obedience to both Christian and civil authorities is enjoined, just consider how history would have turned out if the one duty of the laity was that of submitting with docility to the judgment of leaders, since the Scribes and Pharisees sat in the seat of Moses.

26 posted on 07/12/2015 12:31:53 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: caww

Probably because they agree with them.

Because I know many Catholics who are faithful to the church, attend weekly and more than weekly, support their church financially, are active in community outreaches and events, etc, and yet who are as out spokenly liberal as the day is long and who vote Democrat because the dems are *for the poor*.


27 posted on 07/12/2015 12:57:08 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: CynicalBear
It's stunning how little most Catholics know about how much they are to submit "will and intellect" or be considered anathema. Looks like many of them are now playing their own pope of self alone! Hmmmmm! Where have I heard that expression before?

While failure to provide religious assent (versus solemn assent) may not anathematize one, yet it is called for by popes and prelates and sanctioned RC teaching.

28 posted on 07/12/2015 1:09:00 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: caww
You can add this one to your collection.


29 posted on 07/12/2015 2:22:40 PM PDT by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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To: CynicalBear
And that applies to the price of capacitors in China exactly.....how? So what you are arguing is that the exchange you had with me doesn't, and never, really mattered, because you deem and declare it so? I pray you are not married. If you are, life with you must be hard.
30 posted on 07/12/2015 4:58:17 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Vermont Lt

The Vatican has wonderful observatories. Perhaps they see something coming we don’t see.

ya THINK!!??!!

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1403893.htm


31 posted on 07/12/2015 5:31:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redleghunter

Yes I’ve seen a few of these taken at that moment.....I understand the necklace he’s wearing was also a gift and carries the same emblem.


32 posted on 07/12/2015 11:43:42 PM PDT by caww
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To: CynicalBear

....”What fascinating times in which we live!”....

Immeasurably so imo....as so many things are ‘shifting’ in pretty much every arena of life both here and abroad. Even unbelievers are saying as much.


33 posted on 07/12/2015 11:48:34 PM PDT by caww
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To: Just mythoughts

How we turn it off?

I’d MUCH rather have incorrect speelings than incorrect WORDS!


34 posted on 07/13/2015 5:14:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redleghunter
The pope seems to be; what shall I say; a bit JUMPY on this one!


35 posted on 07/13/2015 6:08:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
If the following is true, then I better understand the lightning bolts the last time the Vatican blew smoke:

The Third Secret of Fatima

What is generally called the "Third Secret" is, in actuality, the third and final part of the full prophetic Secret which the Blessed Virgin gave to three child seers on July 13, 1917.

The other two sections of the Secret (the vision of hell and the rise of Communist Russia) were publicly revealed with the publication of Sister Lucy’s Memoirs in the 1940s, the final part of the revelation remains in the possession of the Vatican and has not yet been disclosed to the world.

It was under the direct order of her bishop and, with the assistance of Our Lady, that Sister Lucy dos Santos wrote the third part of the Secret down on January 2, 1944.

Speaking to Sister Lucy, the Queen of Heaven told her that it was God’s Will that she commit the Secret to paper and entrust it to her bishop and, through him, to Pope Pius XII.

At that time, the Blessed Virgin also indicated that this part of the Secret was to be revealed to the Faithful no later than 1960.

Upon learning that her bishop was unwilling to open the envelope containing the Secret, Sister Lucy "made him promise," in the words of Canon Galamba, "that the Third Secret would be opened and read to the world upon her death or in 1960, whichever would happen first."

If her bishop died first, it was agreed that the Secret would be confided to the Cardinal Patriarch of Lisbon.

Despite this agreement, the Secret was, in fact, delivered to the Vatican where it has remained undisclosed to the public for over fifty years.

Maybe those lightning bolts were His punctuation following some of the written warnings?
"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.
Matthew 23:13

"Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering."
Luke 11:52


36 posted on 07/13/2015 8:36:15 AM PDT by GBA (Just a hick in paradise)
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To: ebb tide
That entire article is fascinating and I shouldn't give away the ending, but it's too important to neglect:
In the conclusion to his study of the Third Secret, Frère Michel sums up his findings as follows:
"Having reached the end of our inquiry, we are able to discern, with near certainty, the essential elements of Our Lady’s final secret: While ‘in Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved,’ in many nations, perhaps in almost the entire world, the Faith will be lost.

The pastors of the Church will fail gravely in the duties of their office. Through their fault, consecrated souls and the Faithful in great number will let themselves be seduced by pernicious errors spread everywhere.

This will be the time of the decisive battle between the Blessed Virgin and the devil. A wave of diabolical disorientation will be hurled over the world.

Satan will introduce himself even to the highest summit of the Church. He will blind the minds and harden the hearts of pastors.

And God will deliver them to themselves as a chastisement for their refusal to obey the requests of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

This will be the great apostasy predicted for the ‘last times’; ‘the False Lamb’ and ‘False Prophet’ will betray the Church to the profit of ‘the Beast,’ according to the prophecy of the Apocalypse."

And here we are...
37 posted on 07/13/2015 8:57:33 AM PDT by GBA (Just a hick in paradise)
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To: GBA
Something else some here might find interesting:
when My Day comes, the sun will turn as black as coarse sackcloth; the moon will be aflame and the very foundations of the earth will shake, and like entrails pouring out of an abdomen, the earth will vomit out its demons;

when this happens, men will long for death but will not find it!

then, the sky will roll like a scroll and immediately will dissolve in flames and all the elements will melt in the heat;

that day is coming and sooner than you think;
I will fulfill these prophecies in your own lifetime
;

December 22, 1993

St Malachy's last Pope prophecy? Already more accurate than the Mayan calendar and counting.
38 posted on 07/13/2015 10:50:24 AM PDT by GBA (Just a hick in paradise)
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To: SkyPilot

Let my try to explain this. Typically the first name in a post “to” is the person being responded to. Subsequent names in that list are included as a courtesy and may be because of perceived interest in the response. My post was NOT, I repeat NOT intended for your. I included you in the ping because the person I WAS responding to had addressed you. My post was in response to HIS post and was addressed to HIM and NOT to you. I simply thought you would be interested in my response to HIM.


39 posted on 07/13/2015 1:50:18 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: caww

Very simply if it has to do with faith and morals, then yes we do need to listen and obey. However when it comes to science and politics we should take it seriously under advisement and proceed as we think best.

When the Pope says we must must act with charity and not pollute the environment of the poor and we must take care of the created world entrusted to us for the sake of humanity and the unborn, then the Pope is indisputably correct. When he talks about a scientific theory with policy and political actions regarding it, not so much. The Pope has been poorly advised on global climate science and his call for world governments is bad policy that contradicts the long standing tradition of subsidiarity in Catholic teaching. The line can be very fine sometimes, but history and tradition of the Church are there to guide our judgement.


40 posted on 07/13/2015 5:23:27 PM PDT by Flying Circus (God save us!)
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