To: MHGinTN
Jesus says that if we do not forgive others we will not be forgiven. So merely faith is not enough. Kind of simple.
To: Petrosius
You did not answer the question. It is not a simple matter. Is the forgiveness denied tot he person BEFORE salvation? Or is it after salvation? Conflating these two dispositions before God is the point of the questions you are avoiding. The Catholic means to salvation is an ongoing process draped with sacraments, following the sacramental trail as it were to 'obtain salvation'. So, if a person on this trail fails to forgive someone in this life, will they be denied forgiveness?
I'll anticipate your Catholic answer to include some plea to purgatory for 'cleansing' so the person once at the finish line of salvation trail can then eventually enter Heaven. Is that an accurate portrayal of how one who does not forgive others yet is following sacramental trail arrives at salvation entry into Heaven?
509 posted on
07/04/2015 10:12:42 AM PDT by
MHGinTN
(Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
To: Petrosius
Jesus says that if we do not forgive others we will not be forgiven. So merely faith is not enough. Kind of simple.
A little overly-simplified by you in your post. You appear to be operating with a minimalist's definition of faith in Lord Jesus Christ.
Saving faith in Christ alone, Scripturally in the Holy Bible and also witnessed by at least one other non-Roman Catholic Christian posting here encompasses many other facets of daily living as parts of the whole of this kind of faith; facets that have nomenclatures such as "forgiveness", "humbleness" and "loving kindness", for a very few.
To: Petrosius
Jesus says that if we do not forgive others we will not be forgiven. So merely faith is not enough. Kind of simple.In the multitudes of things that Jesus COULD have said or done (That pesky bible verse...) this SURELY was missed at the cross:
Hey; Thief Number Two!
Yes Lord?
You HAVE forgiven everyone; right?
627 posted on
07/05/2015 5:02:12 AM PDT by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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