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To: Petrosius
Your won words expose you: "Where we do differ is that the reception of the Holy Spirit that comes with faith is progressive [That is the installment plan writ openly but denied by your religion] and not all at once. This is what we mean by an increase in Grace. It does not mean an increase in our own merit through our works. Nor does this need to be completed before death in order to earn Heaven. [Your own words contradict what you asserted regarding the reality that is cahtolicism. You do have a religion of the installment plan. You r religion is one which requires you to work along a path to earn Justification. You deny it then affirm it. That is rather double-minded, and very deceptive to your own soul!
108 posted on 07/01/2015 8:44:20 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN; Petrosius
"Where we do differ is that the reception of the Holy Spirit that comes with faith is progressive [That is the installment plan writ openly but denied by your religion] and not all at once. This is what we mean by an increase in Grace. It does not mean an increase in our own merit through our works. Nor does this need to be completed before death in order to earn Heaven. [

Interesting take of a RC writer

What did Christ's suffering and death actually accomplish that allowed the Father to provide the human race with salvation? Did Christ take within himself the sin and guilt of mankind and suffer the specific punishment for that sin and guilt, as Protestants contend? The answer is no...Christ did not take upon himself the entire punishment required of man for sin. Rather, Scripture teaches only that Christ became a 'propitiation,' a 'sin offering,' or a 'sacrifice' for sins...Essentially, this means that Christ, because he was guiltless, sin-free and in favor with God, could offer himself up as a means of persuading God to relent of his angry wrath against the sins of mankind. Sin destroys God's creation. God, who is a passionate and sensitive being, is angry against man for harming the creation. Anger against sin shows the personal side of God, for sin is a personal offense against him. We must not picture God as an unemotional courtroom judge who is personally unharmed by the sin of the offender brought before him. God is personally offended by sin and thus he needs to be personally appeased in order to offer a personal forgiveness. In keeping with his divine principles, his personal nature, and the magnitude of the sins of man, the only thing that God would allow to appease him was the suffering and death of the sinless representative of mankind, namely, Christ (Robert Sungenis, Not By Faith Alone (Santa Barbara: Queenship, 1997), pp. 107-108)./font color>

167 posted on 07/02/2015 9:05:38 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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