Was The Papacy Established By Christ?

triablogue ^ | June 23, 2006 | Jason Engwer

[HossB86]

So where are all the infallible interpretations of all the supposedly Spirit given pronouncements of the Catholic church throughout the last about 2,000 years?

Amen. But, what do you expect when they can't even figure out that Muslims do NOT worship the same God as Christians....? Speaks volumes. Not infallible volumes, mind you, but volumes.

:D

Hoss

[Elsie]

His official teaching in the Scripture

Scripture says, ...

Philippians 2:5
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

[Elsie]

It’s crystal clear that they put their faith in manWOMAN! rather than the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

 

 

 

Bernadine: …all gifts, all virtues, and all graces are dispensed by the hands of Mary to whomsoever, when, and as she pleases. O Lady, since thou art the dispenser of all graces, and since the grace of salvation can ONLY come through thy hands, OUR SALVATION DEPENDS ON THEE.

Bonaventure: …the gates of heaven will open to all who confide in the protection of Mary. Blessed are they who know thee, O Mother of God, for the knowledge of THEE is the high road to everlasting life, and the publication of thy virtues is the way of ETERNAL SALVATION . Give ear, O ye nations; and all you who desire heaven , serve, honor Mary, and certainly you will find ETERNAL LIFE.

Ephem: …devotion to the divine Mother…is the unlocking of the heavenly Jerusalem.

Blosius: To the, O Lady, are committed the KEYS and the treasures of the kingdom of Heaven.

Ambrose: …constantly pray ‘Open to us, O Mary, the gates of paradise, since thou hast its KEYS.

Fulgetius: …by Mary God descended from Heaven into the world, that by HER man might ascend from earth to Heaven.

Athanasius: …And, thou, O Lady, wast filled with grace, that thou mightiest be the way of our SALVATION and the means of ascent to the heavenly Kingdom.

Richard of Laurence: Mary, in fine, is the mistress of heaven; for there she commands as she wills, and ADMITS whom she wills.

Guerric: …he who serves Mary and for whom she intercedes, is as CERTAIN of heaven as if he were already there…and those who DO NOT serve Mary will NOT BE SAVED.

Anselm: It suffices, O Lady, that thou willest it, and our SALVATION is certain.

Antoninus: …souls protected by Mary, and on which she casts her eyes, are NECESSARILY JUSTIFIED AND SAVED.

[ADSUM]

The Holy Spirit would NEVER endorse the incorporation of paganism and heresy by those that left the Catholic Church and the teachings of Jesus as the protestors have.

[metmom]

First, show us where Protestants incorporate paganism in the adoption of it in their worship services, especially by their own admission.

Second, nice red herring there, but it doesn’t excuse or address the comment of CB,which is accurate by the admission of Catholics themselves.

Trying to deflect with a *Look!!! Over there!!* doesn’t work.

[SaveFerris]

They can’t figure out 841. Got a friend in the same boat.

It’s pointless.

[terycarl]

post 40 had no questions...it merely defined protestantism...Wabbabe Christians who are either in error or at least incomplete.

[terycarl]

Where is it that Jesus told apostles or Catholic priests to turn bread into Jesus' body???

do THIS in memory of me........see the word THIS

[Syncro]

post 40 had no questions...it merely defined protestantism.

Maybe to you, I had no comment on post 40.

In your apparent haste to malign Christians as "Wabbabe" who are "either in error or incomplete" it seems that AGAIN you have posted a nonsensical statement that isn't helpful at all to this thread.

The pompous condescending superiority attitude of Catholics towards Christians is not conducive to reasoned debate or helpful in leading non Christians to a relationship with Jesus.

[terycarl]

A simple example in English: A proud Grampa looks at his beloved granddaughter and says “This is my little angel.” Does any reasonable listener think he is speaking of a small, non-human, angelic being? Or do they know, from the combination of physical and verbal cues, he is using a metaphor to describe his wonderful granddaughter? Of course they know.

everyone understands metaphor...not everyone is sitting at a table, facing death and is the Son of God....

[terycarl]

He took bread and blessed it,

then what did He do....read it and tell us.......

[terycarl]

The bible you guys gave us isn't enough to get a person saved.

yeah, we know that....the Bible alone won't do it... You need the 7 Sacraments,tradition, authority, all of which Catholicism has.....check us out and rejoin.....if you are Baptized, you are already a Catholic.

[terycarl]

Only the Catholic Church existed in the tenth century, in the fifth century, and in the first century, faithfully teaching the doctrines given by Christ to the apostles, omitting nothing. We keep wanting to see the PROOF of this; but it NEVER comes.

Pay attention in 5th grade history class....name one other Christian religion mentioned in the history of Europe and Asia...look at the evidence, Libraries, Monasteries, Cathedrals, schools, hospitals, governments, many of which were destroyed by the protestant revolutionaries....kind of like ISIS is doing now.

[terycarl]

'It is a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwellings: you shall not eat any fat or any blood.'"

Very interesting how you protestants jump on the blood part of that and never mention the fat part....did you ever eat a piece of beef or pork and NEVER consume any fat.....I didn't think so.

[terycarl]

’m not interested in bigotry. I’ll pray for you. I’ll make sure to stay off these threads in the future. And you can stop posting to me. I’m done.

NO....NO....NO... Don't do that...Elsie is very entertaining...great pictures and lists of naughty popes...you'll get to like and enjoy his posts and actually begin to think that he knows what he is talking about......rarely.

[terycarl]

However, if you asked Peter himself, he would have no idea of what you are talking about as the papacy had not been instituted in his lifetime. The Bishop of Rome for many centuries was regarded as just that, the Bishop of Rome. There were many Christian groups competing for power and authority for many centuries after Christ’s death and resurrection. It took Rome centuries to consolidate its power and establish itself as the HQ of the Church. Then you had schisms, most notably in 1054, when the Church in the East separated from Rome and the Eastern Orthodox Church was established. In addition, the papacy was moved to France in the Middle Ages for a period of time.

and they were ALL Catholic....not 1 protestant around.

[MHGinTN]

John 6 :26 - 29

Jesus answered them and said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal."

Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?"

Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."

Do you see any of the catholic sacraments or catholic extras in what Jesus told them?

[terycarl]

Bashing a false look-a-like religion pretending to be the only true form of Christianity is precisely what Christians should be doing in these last days. Your religion of Catholicism teaches sacrilege for the sacred. THAT deserves bashing. The poor lost followers of Catholicism’s sacrilege? Not so much, but it will burn in catholic bosoms when their false religion is exposed.

Yeah....1,600 years of doing it wrong until a dissident priest came along to straighten us all out,,,,WHEW...just in time too...

[MHGinTN]

Sorry, if you claim them for catholics then you must claim the following list from the Rule of Harlots, too:

The catholic church cannot claim an unbroken chain back to Peter because of realities like the 'Rule of Harlots' 904-963: The following popes were either brought to Rome to run the popery as pope or raised up from the illegitimacy of harlots such as Theodora and her daughter prostitutes who placed popes on the papal throne. They directly placed the following 'unbroken succession':

Sergius iii (904 - 911)
John x (914 - 928)
Leo vi (928-929)
Stephen vii (929 - 931)
John xi (931 - 936)
Leo vii (936 - 939)
Stephen viii (939 - 942)
Martin iii (942 - 946)
Agepotus ii (946 - 955)
John xii (958 - 963)

And that list is just the Rule of Harlots period. Followed by two popes lit6erally buying the throne to sit it. Shall we go to Innocent iii to see where your specious transubstantiton comes from? Or the decree of infallibility? Or the forbidding of reading the Bible in the vernacular? Or the denouncing of the Magna Carta? Or the instituting of the Inquisition?

Yet catholics are taught that their religion is lead by an unbroken line of 'Vicars of Christ' (pope Innocent went further, naming himself the Vicar of God with all power over life and death on Earth). Just the unvarnished truth of your line of succession should cause a catholic who fears God to flee from that false religion!

[terycarl]

His family members now, you will have 144,000 Jews to listen to for truth. Please, don’t spit on them as you spit now upon His family members trying to reach your heart.

l44,000 Jews.....lets see, that's just about the number of people who witnessed the Pope's latest Mass....and Catholics number about 1,300,000,000 right now and untold billions who have passed on.