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To: CynicalBear

You can rant all you want to, but your personal biases may be blocking your true understanding of God’s words and actions.

No one forces anyone to accept Catholicism, but one’s anger and hatred toward Catholicism may be harmful to your well being. To my knowledge, you have not stated whether you are a baptized Catholic or belong to another organized religion.

I share with you what I believe and I don’t accept your incredulity or interpretation of the Bible or your anger against the Catholic Church.

For some reason you do not accept God’s gift of His Body and Blood. Your loss.

Jesus did not say, “My flesh is of no avail.” He said, “The flesh is of no avail.” There is a big difference! He obviously would not have said my flesh avails nothing because he just spent a good portion of this same discourse telling us that his flesh would be “given for the life of the world” (John 6:51, cf. 50-58).

“The flesh” is a New Testament term often used to describe human nature apart from God’s grace (see Romans 8:1-14; I Cor. 2:14; 3:1; Mark 14:38).

That which is “spiritual,” or “spirit” used as an adjective as we see in John 6:63, does not necessarily refer to that which has no material substance. It often means that which is dominated or controlled by the Spirit. For example, when speaking of the resurrection of the body, St. Paul writes: “It is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body” (I Cor. 15:44). Does this mean we will not have a physical body in the resurrection? Of course not! Jesus made that clear after his own resurrection in Luke 24:39:

See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones as you see that I have.

The resurrected body is spiritual and indeed we can be called spiritual as Christians inasmuch as we are controlled by the Spirit of God. Spiritual in no way means void of the material. That would be a Gnostic understanding of things, not Christian.

You say you accept Jesus, but you reject some of His teachings.


184 posted on 06/16/2015 7:32:05 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
>>No one forces anyone to accept Catholicism, but one’s anger and hatred toward Catholicism may be harmful to your well being.<<

Not any more then Jesus anger towards the teachings and actions of the Pharisees was harmful to His well being.

>>To my knowledge, you have not stated whether you are a baptized Catholic or belong to another organized religion.<<

I would have no link, ties, or association with the paganism of Catholicism. I belong to the universal ekklesia of Christ.

>>“The flesh” is a New Testament term often used to describe human nature apart from God’s grace<<

Oh sure, He changed topics mid conversation. After talking about His flesh He suddenly changed the topic. NOT!! He was explaining that He wasn't talking about physical flesh but was talking spirit. The apostles understood they weren't literally eating the flesh and blood the same as they understood the Ezekiel didn't literally eat the scroll.

Your still left with the fact that Jesus would have been sinning against the law of not eating blood had He and the apostles eaten literal flesh and blood.

192 posted on 06/16/2015 8:20:58 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ADSUM
No one forces anyone to accept Catholicism, they just get threatened will Eternal Hellfire if they don't.
206 posted on 06/16/2015 9:54:12 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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