Posted on 06/07/2015 6:45:41 PM PDT by Gamecock
They are supposed to receive the spirit of the departed “saint”. It is a form of necromancy and definitely not biblical. Did Jesus or the apostles do any such foolishness? Whatever spirit they may or may not receive is most likely something similar to the demoniac among the tombs. The TV preachers and money prophets have brought this into the church. They false teachers use 2 Kings 13:14-21 as their proof text.
There is nothing abusive about warning the faithful about a dangerous and demonic practice. Gamecock is doing a great service to the body of Christ!
Wow....that’s a new one. Thanks for posting.
I can’t believe people actually believe this.
If that is what grave soaking is, it’s definitely unbiblical. It’s spiritualism.
Didn’t a guy get arrested for doing this to Art Modele’s grave?
“Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”
Would you have to be a Vet? I’d bring extra beer!
I offer this to contrast Judaism and l’havdil Christianity—
But like so many rituals in (at least) Catholicism and dogma in Protestantism-— I see it lifted directly from Judaism and declared new (of course!)
Baptism (Mikvah)
Communion (matzah)
Of course the Pentacost (vs the counting of the Omer)
The plethora of reinvented and misinterpreted holidays (without the benefit of “the Rabbis” explaining the textually unexplainable)
Rebirth/reborn (this is a TOTALLY and daily Jewish daily practice...albeit without a trinity of course)
And to the chagrin of Catholics and the “ha ha toldja so” of Protestants, many MANY Christian ideas are completely and obviously based on a corruption of Jewish mysticism—that which Jews claim to have existed since Adam and detractors claim came about in the 13th century...)
But now— “Grave sucking...” A totally 100% stock-and-trade Jewish custom. Oy the humanity.... (and also based in mysticism, to the aforementioned chagrin and “toldja-so-ism.”)
A hint— for the fearful detractors— it all depends on the authenticity of your “saint” I guess...
Thanks for posting. I had never heard of this insanity, but it is important to know what the trends are so that you can combat the lies.
I noticed at the site an article about something else which has become quite popular even at the elementary school level. A teacher I know found out about it just last week after some children on the playground were playing with it while some others were freaking out. It is very similar to using an Ouija board, only with pencils, called Charlie Charlie. The principal had to forbid the students from participating in the game:
http://www.charismanews.com/culture/49830-new-witchcraft-inspired-challenge-lures-kids-into-summoning-demons
Sure sounds like a way to invite occult spirits. Go suck a grave....
The Old Testament has one example of a dead person revived by contact with the bones of a dead prophet. That’s as far as it goes, and we don’t see even the superstitious Hebrews trying to capitalize on that as a repeatable phenomenon.
Isn’t this what they do at Bethel in Reading California? Lots of churches sing “Jesus Culture” songs which come from there.
That was almost an interesting post, but your smarminess rather overwhelmed any information value.
Phinneous, in reply to your comment #30, that’s wrong. Necromancy of any kind is forbidden in Orthodox Judaism. Any semblance of washing in blood (baptism) or eating human flesh or blood (communion) is also forbidden.
The Jewish practices are all kosher. They do not involve blood or necromancy. It’s the reflection of these practices in the Christian world (and the corruptions, deviations, adoptions of the original Jewish practices) that I’m pointing out.
Smarmy? (To Iffinegan) sorry for the “gosh, copy us enough already?!?” tone. Believe me, there’s nothing new under the son.
You could point out that “Hey, Judaism merely adopted animal sacrifice to appease the Jews who could not give up the heathen practice of sacrifice....” As the 11th century rabbi and scholar Moses Maimonedes points out (as a foil) ... Then I’d have to parry.
A little more explanation:
"In the Roman Catholic tradition we actually see the OFFICIAL practice of Mary WORSHIP and saint WORSHIP. Furthermore, it is common for a Roman Catholic to pray to one of the canonized departed saints. Whenever we go to a departed saint for something instead of directly to Jesus we violate Scriptures like 2 Timothy 2:5 and John 14:6, since we only have one designated mediator between God and man: Jesus Christ. Grave sucking comes perilously close to saint worship and, if not corrected, could also lead to communing (speaking) with departed saints. After all, if we can receive an anointing from the grave of a departed saint, who is to say we cannot receive advice and/or life altering visions from that same saint?"
Nowhere does the Catholic Church use Official WORSHIP OF Saints or Mary. A protestant can say they think it is Worship when it reads veneration but never can say it is Official. It is that person's opinion. He is explicitly Lying by own conscience. Charisma magazine has gotten so bad in its subject matter.
But never the less it is interesting on this new practice of Charismatic believers.
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