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To: Gamecock
This author is Lying.

"In the Roman Catholic tradition we actually see the OFFICIAL practice of Mary WORSHIP and saint WORSHIP. Furthermore, it is common for a Roman Catholic to pray to one of the canonized departed saints. Whenever we go to a departed saint for something instead of directly to Jesus we violate Scriptures like 2 Timothy 2:5 and John 14:6, since we only have one designated mediator between God and man: Jesus Christ. Grave sucking comes perilously close to saint worship and, if not corrected, could also lead to communing (speaking) with departed saints. After all, if we can receive an anointing from the grave of a departed saint, who is to say we cannot receive advice and/or life altering visions from that same saint?"

Nowhere does the Catholic Church use Official WORSHIP OF Saints or Mary. A protestant can say they think it is Worship when it reads veneration but never can say it is Official. It is that person's opinion. He is explicitly Lying by own conscience. Charisma magazine has gotten so bad in its subject matter.

But never the less it is interesting on this new practice of Charismatic believers.

40 posted on 06/08/2015 8:24:13 AM PDT by johngrace ( I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: johngrace
Nowhere does the Catholic Church use Official WORSHIP OF Saints or Mary.

Actually, the problem with this is that words have changed meaning, or at least been adjusted, and the Church is very, very old. At one time one could have said that we worshiped saints, but at that time the word did not mean quite what most use it for today. That is why we still speak of a saint having a cult, another word which has shifted some. We adore God, and worship (which would be to say revere using more modern words) saints. Adoration is much higher than worship. What is strange, to me, is that most people today will quail at saying they worship their children, but will tell everyone how they adore them. Talk about reversing the meanings entirely.

Whenever we go to a departed saint for something instead of directly to Jesus we violate Scriptures like 2 Timothy 2:5 and John 14:6, since we only have one designated mediator . . .

This was a very interesting quote too, as it entirely misunderstands what a mediator is, scripturally speaking. The word 'mediator' refers to one who mediates a covenant between God and man, which no Catholic has ever thought any saint has done. If this were the real meaning of the word then asking your friends to pray for you would also be forbidden as it would still be looking for a mediator. Fortunately, the Bible tells us again and again to pray for one another, and therefore is fully in support of intercession, which is what prayers to the saints are about. Not mediation.

47 posted on 06/08/2015 6:26:41 PM PDT by cothrige ("An error which is not resisted is approved; a truth which is not defended is suppressed" Felix III)
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