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To: StormPrepper
Because that's what the Mormon is saying....

Well, now for the benefit of the older ones, how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father ... Prophet Joseph F. Smith, Family Home Evening Manual, 1972, pp.125,126

This is typical of cults to redefine words to not mean what they mean.

Pretty soon you'll be denying Lucifer is Jesus's brother in the Mormon worldview.

1,004 posted on 06/03/2015 1:21:44 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone; metmom; MHGinTN; Elsie
This is typical of cults to redefine words to not mean what they mean.

Bingo. We have a winner. It's called cult speak. They say the words they think you want to hear, to try draw you in, but their words do not mean the same as your words. When the Mormons and JWs come to my house, I tell them to leave their literature outside, and let me define what words mean, and then we can talk. Most of the time they don't want to do that, so I won't even discuss it with them. They are bringing me another gospel. I ain't buying it.

1,032 posted on 06/03/2015 4:35:26 PM PDT by Mark17 (Through all my days, and then in Heaven above, my song will silence never, I'll worship Him forever)
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To: ealgeone; All
Because that's what the Mormon is saying....

Wow check out the interdimensional mind reading skills on you.

Here's something you really need to pay attention to...

Here's an exert: "That is, someone's subjective judgments are "projected" to be inherent properties of an object, rather than being related to personal perception."

In other words, NO, that's not the Mormon is saying at all, because...well...he never said it..but that's what you wanted him to say....badly.

This is typical of cults to redefine words to not mean what they mean.

Notice the blatant red herring.

A red herring is defined as:

Logical Form:
Argument A is presented by person 1.
Person 2 introduces argument B.
Argument A is abandoned.

Bless your heart, in case you want to try again, I'll post what you avoided below: (Nobody likes a quitter)

1 John 4
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

Heb 11
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,


If you could just twist that pretzel a liiiiittttle bit more you'd have those dog gone Mormons right where you want them...

But before we go on, there's that little problem of how the writers of the books in the Bible use the word "begotten" and "begat".

Genesis 5:
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

Philemon 1
10 I beseech thee for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my bonds:


The list of the usage of Begat and Begotten is quite long so I'll narrow it down to four for the sake of brevity.

Please explain how John's usage of "begotten" is different than everyone else's use of the word "begotten".

P.S. I am neither nasty nor mean. I realize you probably didn't think your low brow anti-Mormon BS would get you boxed in like this. If it's too much for you to handle, you may request mercy and I'll let it go. You'll then be free to move on to other low brow anti-Mormon or anti-Catholic BS.


1,043 posted on 06/03/2015 5:40:38 PM PDT by StormPrepper
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