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To: MHGinTN
"Peter could not choose not to deny him though he probably tried." Careful what you imply. That Jesus could know what would actually happen for the next hours is not the same as Jesus being the one responsible for Peter denying His Lord three times before the Cock crowed.

I’m not trying to imply. God is the ultimate cause of everything. He put Peter into a situation where he would choose to deny Christ. The flesh always fails to please God. A lesson we are slow to learn.
857 posted on 06/03/2015 11:15:26 AM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Seven_0

“God is the ultimate cause of everything.” Do you agree that humans have no free will to accept or reject His Grace, that we are forced to love Him? Is God responsible for your sin?


858 posted on 06/03/2015 11:21:32 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Seven_0
"He put Peter into a situation where he would choose to deny Christ." Sorry, but the text does not say anything like that. That God can know what you will do in a given time does not equate that He is responsible for your actions. You assert that God/Jesus put Peter into the situation. I'm afraid you have a very strange context of God and what He does and doesn't do. If you are telling me there is no free will, then I can see how you conclude such as 'He put Peter in a situation where he would deny Christ.'

When Jesus came to Peter offering him the chance to repent of his denials, did Peter shoot back, 'But you put me in that situation to deny you thrice?' No, he was face to face with God with us, so he didn't try such foolishness. He responded 'You know I love you, Lord.' Was Peter forced to love Jesus? ... Think about it.

859 posted on 06/03/2015 11:53:36 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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