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To: smvoice

Just to piggyback on your last post...

Acts 10:44-48 (AMP)
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all who were listening to the message.
45 And the believers from among the circumcised [the Jews] who came with Peter were surprised and amazed, because the free gift of the Holy Spirit had been bestowed and poured out largely even on the Gentiles.
46 For they heard them talking in [unknown] tongues (languages) and extolling and magnifying God. Then Peter asked,
47 Can anyone forbid or refuse water for baptizing these people, seeing that they have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?
48 And he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (the Messiah). Then they begged him to stay on there for some days.

Peter preaches the Word to Cornelius and his relatives. It must have been one heck of a sermon, because the Holy Spirit was poured on them with evidence that was heard by, and “surprised” the Jews with Peter.

Now here is where you must put on the theological big boy britches. Why did Peter want to baptize them in water? What could mere water, an outward ordinance, do for someone already filled with the Holy Spirit? This dovetails nicely with your previous point about John’s baptism.

Note also the religious division still actively recognized. There is not ONE BODY IN CHRIST at this time.


284 posted on 05/24/2015 7:24:38 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: Kandy Atz
A HUGE AMEN, Kandy! ANd you are right, show me ONE member of the Body of Christ at that time. And the answer is NO. Because it had not been FORMED at that time. Because in order to be placed into the Body of Christ, a person must believe that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and rose again the third day, and that by grace are we saved through faith,and that not of ourselves, it is the gift of God not of works, lest any man should boast: the gospel of the grace of God.

And since that gospel was given by Christ to Paul to preach, and Paul had not yet given this information to the 12, then the gospel THEY preached could NOT have been the gospel of the grace of God. It could only have been the gospel of the kingdom. :)

It doesn't take Columbo to figure this out. Just READ what the word SAYS, Not what you THINK it says..

286 posted on 05/24/2015 7:34:17 PM PDT by smvoice (I would explain it better, but I only know a few words...)
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To: Kandy Atz; smvoice; CynicalBear; Mark17; metmom; Springfield Reformer; Iscool; aMorePerfectUnion; ..
May I add the previous verses also, since they contain the sermon Peter preached and thus can be seen as it differs from what Paul said he preached and same in what they both preached ... both paths contain the most important part, that one believe on Him Whom God has sent, just as Jesus told the scribes and Pharisees when they asked Him what they must do as the work God desires:

Acts 10:30-43

And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing, And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God. Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.

Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.

Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that fear

eth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

When the Scribes ask Jesus what they must do as the work God commands for Salvation and when Peter answered the call to evangelize, the message is the same, to believe on Him Whom God has sent, The Christ, the Lamb Slain from the foundation of the world, the Lord from Heaven, God with us ... so, where is the lengthy list of doctrinologies from Catholic and Protestant traditions? None present int he House of Cornelius that I can find. None stacked next to Jesus when He answered the Scribes and Pharisees. So where is boasting?

To Saul as Paul was given the fullness of the Gospel, the eschatological and hermeneutic and ekklesiology. To Peter was given the keys to open the Church Age ... where is boasting?

289 posted on 05/24/2015 7:47:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Kandy Atz
There is not ONE BODY IN CHRIST at this time.

Acts 2:

46 Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved.

Also please reference 1 Corinthians 15 where Paul clearly states he, Peter and the other apostles preached the same gospel.

445 posted on 05/26/2015 12:56:30 PM PDT by redleghunter (1 Peter 1:3-5)
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