Posted on 05/17/2015 5:59:53 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
We gotta chuckle ever now and then or we’d ALL go nuts!
It's the old Mormon strawman again.
Just DO the things SLC tells you.
You'll be OK then.
Mormon sacraments are MUCH more effective than Catholic ones!
How DARE you actually read the account of this in the Psalms!
Always be careful when exchanging with a Mormon. Their religion is very different from Christianity.
A man is Saved by God's Grace. There is no sin which can reverse what God does and that's why no man can take a saved person away from Jesus or God. If there is some sin you could commit after being Born Again by the Spirit, then you could not be saved to start with because that would violate what Jesus guarantees and contradict His assertion. Grace is an awesome thing when you really start to see how it works. Mormons don't want grace unless they can earn it after all that they can do ...
Mormons aren’t the only “earned grace” groups around here, MHG. Day in. Day out. “On the road to being saved”. It’s a real heartbreaker.
My post 104, I think, does a good job in covering lots of the other things you have mentioned. But this verse here is not strong at all for proving that we may "fall from grace." The verse literally says that the people who fall from grace are the ones who are "justified by works." Verse 10 speaks of "other-mindedness," and being in confidence that believers will not take another view. IOW, Paul is speaking of doctrine. It is reasonable to conclude that Paul is speaking here only that if a person is truly justified by works, then they must forsake grace in order to do so. This is an argument against a theology of works-righteousness. IOW, "if we are saved by works, we fall from grace." It is not teaching that Christians can "fall from grace." If you want to take it strictly literally, then we must hold that only those who are justified by the law fall from grace.
Thus he says "I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain." (1 Thessalonians 3:5)
Indeed, but we should not stretch this into believing that Paul believed his labour to be the deciding factor of salvation. The scripture is clear that Paul plants, others water, but that the "increase" belongs to the LORD. In other words, salvation depends on God's grace alone, and not on the working or desiring of others. We are tools, yes, but we are tools in the hands of God, and He works also inwardly as well as outwardly. Even in the case of repentance, the scripture uses such language as "perchance God will grant him repentance." In John 15, Christ even explicitly says "ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you," and goes on to declare that He produces fruit in the elect, and preserves it also.
The entire message of this is that salvation is monergistic, even when God threatens and offers and commands or judges. See my post 104.
I know, it's a nasty habit I just can't seem to break. I will just have to try harder to accept what cultists say, without checking things out for myself. 😂. Hey, I know I am a hater (See my Limerick) and it's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it. 😎
Not to nitpick, but actions are not the same as works. Jesus said, "Choose." Jesus said, "Believe." Choosing and believing are acts of will.
Choosing to receive a gift freely offered is not a work that makes you deserving of the gift, else the gift is not free to begin with.
What other type of sin is there, if not willing? Isn't the very definition of sin a willful act of rebellion against God?
First let me say, that I think most Mormons are very nice, law abiding, good people. Having said that, I usually DO NOT have discussions with Mormons, because I always first tell them that I think the Book of Mormon is a fairy tale, possibly written by Joe Smith, with the intention of selling his story to make money. I do not know for sure, but Smith might not have even been trying to start a new religion, but it took off and he just went along with it. After that, they usually don't wish to talk about it. So be it, but they, and others, engage in cult speak. Their terms mean different things to us. We have to define our terms, or we are not speaking the same language. They are bringing a different gospel to us, and you know what Paul said about that. Look, I have had Mormon, and other cult friends in the past, but in order to stay friendly, we had to refrain from talking about spiritual issues. My MIL is with the INC. That is an exercise in futility, but we hang in there. That is what Dr Walter Martin told me personally a couple of times. 😇
Do you know for a fact that David went to hell?
You do err, knowing neither thr Scriptures nor the power of God.
"And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die" (2 Sam. 12:13 AV).
When God forgives, He also forgets. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 Jn. 1:9 AV)
David abjectly confessed/repented and God completely forgave.
Furthermore, David did not lay a hand on Uriah, therefore Uriah was not murdered. He willingly died in battle. Furthermore, Uriah was a Gentile, and should not have been marrying a Jewish girl. The sentence for that alone was death.
Thanks for catching that mistake.
God charges David with Uriah's murder.
Simply because David did not physically do the act with his own hand, doesn't mean he wasn't responsible for his death, murder, actually.
Leviticus 5:17-19
If a person sins and violates any of the Lord's commandments which must not be violated (although he did not know it at the time...
The BoM is their Bait-and-Switch material.
They'll go on and on about it; when they KNOW that hardly any of their DOCTRINE comes from it.
The REAL meat (versus the BoM milk) is found in their OTHER Scriptures; which they do NOT "ask you to read and pray about".
Heck; Stormy doesn't even want to talk about his chosen religion: Mormonism!
He's just trying to undermine the accuracy and teachings of 2000 years of Christianity first.
These others guys are just laying low; I guess.
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