Posted on 05/09/2015 7:44:31 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Millions of sincere Catholics wear the brown scapular thinking by doing so it will help them spiritually. They believed the report that Mary made and is backing a salvation promise in connection with the brown scapular hundreds of years ago based on their religious traditions. Over the years wearing the brown scapular has been perpetuated by sincere Catholic leaders, such as the one in this video, but it is in complete futility that it is worn. It is a false hope and a spiritual snare. 
It is not based on God’s truth and is, therefore, just as deadly for the sincere Catholic as it is for the Hindu who bathes in the Ganges River thinking his sins will be washed away in the water or for the Muslim who kisses the black stone of Kaaba to be forgiven! [The picture to the right is Mel Gibson, the director of the Passion of Christ, wearing a brown scapular as he smokes.]
I too once wore the brown scapular as an Ex Roman Catholic. I know what it is like to be taught something and accept it as truth to find out later it is not only unscriptural, but anti-scriptural. It hurts, but TRUTH is what we must stand on to be safe. It takes humility in such cases to turn.
NOTE: At about 2:23 time-wise into the video, the speaker is quoted below. How could anyone deny that Mary is deified in Catholicism? Surely, this rampant idolatry is grieving to the Lord Jesus Christ and God the Father. This is what Catholicism teaches about the brown scapular:
And so, wearing of the brown scapular reminds us, should remind us, of three things. First, that we are children of Mary. Second of all, that we need to work for our Lady. And finally, it should be a garment of humility and penance. First, by the brown scapular we profess ourselves to be children of Mary. The scapular of our Lady is a badge or a uniform so to speak by which we profess to whom we belong and who we serve. Likewise, our Lady in turn by wearing the brown scapular, she recognizes us as her children, as her special children. And because of that, she consequently protects us and watches over us. The brown scapular should also remind us that we need to work for our Lady because the scapular, which means shoulder garment, was originally that, it was a garment worn by religious in order to protect their habit, their religious habit that they wore on a daily basis during those periods of work to keep it from getting dirty, stained, from ripping, etc. and so therefore the scapular is a working garb. And so this should remind us that there’s no room for lazy piety. If we wear the brown scapular and we consider ourselves our Lady’s children, there’s no place for lazy piety but rather we should fill our lives with good works. This brown scapular should remind us the need to faithfully fulfill our daily duties, and to make another adaptation of Scripture, to labor as good soldiers of the Immaculate. Finally, the third place, the brown scapular is also a garment of humility and of penance. So in a spirit of penance, we should accept all the difficulties of our state of life and all the sufferings that our Lady may want to send us. And the scapular will give us the strength to do this. In all of our difficulties, we can always grab onto our brown scapular, remind ourselves of our Lady’s protection, her watchfulness, her presence and especially at the moment of death, when we can call to mind our Lady’s promise of salvation. Our Lady of Mount Carmel, pray for us.
* Not a single word about Jesus was mentioned there.
* The brown scapular is 100% religious mythology and idolatry, as Mary is deified as a type of Savior.
* No Bible light shines from such brown scapular Catholic tradition.
He is TOO a sweetie!!!
—Mrs_Elsie(I have to live with him!)
People absorbed by MONOLITHIC interpretation are likely to get sidetracked into quibbling over doctrinal differences of IMPLEMENTATION and generate schisms within the Catholic community, rather than focusing on bringing everyone together and improving their holiness and happiness.
...of beer on the wall
Kelsey salutes you!
Not me!
Show me EVIDENCE!
Eh...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choose_the_right
Good one!
Time for more kicks then!
Leviticus 5:17-19
17 “If a person sins and violates any of the Lord’s commandments which must not be violated (although he did not know it at the time, but later realizes he is guilty), then he will bear his punishment for iniquity 18 and must bring a flawless ram from the flock, convertible into silver shekels, for a guilt offering to the priest. So the priest will make atonement on his behalf for his error which he committed (although he himself had not known it) and he will be forgiven. 19 It is a guilt offering; he was surely guilty before the Lord.”
Genesis 13:13
HMMMmmm... where was THIS 'defined'?
Allegory: a representation of an abstract or spiritual meaning through concrete or material forms; figurative treatment of one subject under the guise of another. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/allegory
ALLEGORY: the expression by means of symbolic fictional figures and actions of truths or generalizations about human existence; also : an instance (as in a story or painting) of such expression http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/allegory
Wikipedia extracts for Parable: ...may sometimes be distinguished from similar narrative types, such as the allegory ...Like the parable, the allegory makes a single, unambiguous point. An allegory may have multiple non-contradictory interpretations ...the object of both parable and allegory “is to enlighten the hearer by submitting to him a case in which he has apparently no direct concern, and upon which therefore a disinterested judgment may be elicited from him ...Medieval interpreters of the Bible often treated Jesus’ parables as allegories ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable
Concerning the many morally ambiguous items in scripture, which a doctrinaire, literal (Fundamentalist) reading would have to accept as divine will, you state that there is nothing in the New Testament to suggest that such practices should be reinstated, which again raises the point that you did not resolve. Do you reject the old testament?
You avoided addressing my previous point (saying “I have no reply” is no real reply - except to an extreme literalist, unconcerned with substance)- Is the Old Testament no longer scripture in your view? It explicitly prescribes rules concerning slavery practices. Jesus did not specifically address slavery in the New Testament, except to use cases of slavery to make other points, as I cited previously.
If you are being literal, it is right there in black and white. Exodus 21:20-21, When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are (this is elsewhere explained to only cover Israeli slaves, foreigners are kept indefinitely). This rule is not specifically rescinded in scripture - people changed this practice based on their own moral judgement, informed by the broad sweep of the New Testament teaching, rather than literal reading. Slavery continued in the Christian world long after Christ. Slavery practices are explicitly defined in scripture but not revoked, so to a fundamentalist they should still be in place, no?
Genocide is repeated in the Old Testament - God does it (Flood, Sodom & Gomorrah, Plague of the Firstborn of Egypt) and he commands that it be done to the Canaanites in Dueteronomy, and the Amaklekites in 1 Samuel 15 (utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling).
Rape has many prescriptions: If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman Deuteronomy 22:28. If you want to a literal fundamental reading of scripture, then either you do away with the old testament, or you carry over a bunch of war crimes, tortures, stoning, slavery and so on. A lot of it reads like the Quran.
It was not the New Testament itself that literally did away with these many archaic atrocities - people later moved beyond literal adherence to elements which were morally indefensible, based on a new moral standard promoted in the New Testament - love your neighbor as yourself, for example.
So it boils down to these choices:
1. Reject Old Testament outright.
2. Accept the Old Testament prescriptions as scripture - therefore they should be reinstated.
3. Make moral judgements about what to accept and how to interpret conflicts - therefore reject fundamentalism.
Yeah; he counts how many bananas you've picked.
I did not need a link to figure out that was Harry Belefonte, which shows how old I am, but I still have to give you respect, as the elder statesman here. 😂😀😆😅
Yes, this is mainly what I have been arguing - that the Bible must be interpreted to be consistent, and ultimately, if it is to serve its purpose of helping people come closer to God.
Conflicts must be resolved, and a consistent moral and logical framework constructed based on its intent, rather than an intellectually blind, literal reading of each word.
Is it censorship that are you seeking then? And perhaps even only pro-Catholic censorship?
Are you seeking censorship then - specifically pro-Catholic censorship?
This isn’t a site that is dedicated to one Christian denomination, and it is for free discussion. With people of different denominations posting their beliefs, there are going to be disagreements.
You are also personally attacking RnMomof7’s motives, not discussing the issues.
I recall that on another thread recently, you remarked that (paraphrasing) the Catholic Church shouldn’t be criticized because it was taking time away from opposing Muslims and atheists. I replied to you about it, as you may recall. Now you bring up that the Catholic Church shouldn’t be criticized because you believe that negatively affects fundraising. What are you proposing then, censorship? And specifically, pro-Catholic censorship?
www.shc.edu/theolibrary/resources/Timeline.htm
Lutheran didn’t introduce anti-Semitism into Christianity. It was a longtime Catholic practice.
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