Posted on 05/09/2015 7:44:31 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Millions of sincere Catholics wear the brown scapular thinking by doing so it will help them spiritually. They believed the report that Mary made and is backing a salvation promise in connection with the brown scapular hundreds of years ago based on their religious traditions. Over the years wearing the brown scapular has been perpetuated by sincere Catholic leaders, such as the one in this video, but it is in complete futility that it is worn. It is a false hope and a spiritual snare. 
It is not based on God’s truth and is, therefore, just as deadly for the sincere Catholic as it is for the Hindu who bathes in the Ganges River thinking his sins will be washed away in the water or for the Muslim who kisses the black stone of Kaaba to be forgiven! [The picture to the right is Mel Gibson, the director of the Passion of Christ, wearing a brown scapular as he smokes.]
I too once wore the brown scapular as an Ex Roman Catholic. I know what it is like to be taught something and accept it as truth to find out later it is not only unscriptural, but anti-scriptural. It hurts, but TRUTH is what we must stand on to be safe. It takes humility in such cases to turn.
NOTE: At about 2:23 time-wise into the video, the speaker is quoted below. How could anyone deny that Mary is deified in Catholicism? Surely, this rampant idolatry is grieving to the Lord Jesus Christ and God the Father. This is what Catholicism teaches about the brown scapular:
And so, wearing of the brown scapular reminds us, should remind us, of three things. First, that we are children of Mary. Second of all, that we need to work for our Lady. And finally, it should be a garment of humility and penance. First, by the brown scapular we profess ourselves to be children of Mary. The scapular of our Lady is a badge or a uniform so to speak by which we profess to whom we belong and who we serve. Likewise, our Lady in turn by wearing the brown scapular, she recognizes us as her children, as her special children. And because of that, she consequently protects us and watches over us. The brown scapular should also remind us that we need to work for our Lady because the scapular, which means shoulder garment, was originally that, it was a garment worn by religious in order to protect their habit, their religious habit that they wore on a daily basis during those periods of work to keep it from getting dirty, stained, from ripping, etc. and so therefore the scapular is a working garb. And so this should remind us that there’s no room for lazy piety. If we wear the brown scapular and we consider ourselves our Lady’s children, there’s no place for lazy piety but rather we should fill our lives with good works. This brown scapular should remind us the need to faithfully fulfill our daily duties, and to make another adaptation of Scripture, to labor as good soldiers of the Immaculate. Finally, the third place, the brown scapular is also a garment of humility and of penance. So in a spirit of penance, we should accept all the difficulties of our state of life and all the sufferings that our Lady may want to send us. And the scapular will give us the strength to do this. In all of our difficulties, we can always grab onto our brown scapular, remind ourselves of our Lady’s protection, her watchfulness, her presence and especially at the moment of death, when we can call to mind our Lady’s promise of salvation. Our Lady of Mount Carmel, pray for us.
* Not a single word about Jesus was mentioned there.
* The brown scapular is 100% religious mythology and idolatry, as Mary is deified as a type of Savior.
* No Bible light shines from such brown scapular Catholic tradition.
That doesn't matter. Catholics and Catholicism STILL use it to describe others.
If they can dish it out, they ought to be able to take it.
Catholics being offended, or taking offense, when someone uses a word that they have no qualms about using for others, is a double standard, aka, hypocrisy.
Sure. Who needs Jesus or the Holy Spirit anyway?
Well?
They do not even realize they do it, it is so ingrained
Please...
...stop digging...
...please.
R2z
Not by me, it wasn’t. And looking at the post (#44, actually), the term was misused. It applies to people who have not been exposed to God’s Word, through no fault of their own (most commonly with regards to infants).
Amen
Your concerns are noted.
If you read the RF often, you will see that the same concerns are valid for just about every faith represented here.
As for a reply posted to a particular member that is personal, the guidelines prohibit that because those types of posts tend to start flame wars that distract from the issues germane to the threads.
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Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
And there it is..out in the open.. she was born without sin, she lived a life without sin ..when she died her body was taken into heaven .... she is a god..
BTW who did Jesus think was the most important person born of women??....UMMMMM not Mary .... Mat 11:11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John
How has God revealed this to you ??
Yet post #170 is still there, and mine was deleted.
Noted.
My points have been made. So have the site operator’s. Delete what posts of mine you wish.
R2z
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I’m not sure what you’re referring to. The quoted text isn’t mine.
If this is still about “invincible ignorance”, again, anyone using it as a pejorative hasn’t read Aquinas.
No one here is invincibly ignorant. The means to salvation are available to each and every one of us. For a little while longer, anyway.
Does the term *invincibly ignorant* ring a bell?
I'm not Catholic and don't presume to speak there, but here I can think of a distinction, even without invoking anything specifically Catholic-related.
"Ignorant" and related words can be used neutrally or "negatively." (I suppose that in some cases it may even be used "positively," though I've never seen such a use. But as I've seen similar things, like "I'm proud to say that I've never watched [insert name of TV show here] and have no idea what you're talking about," I would be amazed if someone else has seen an example.)
A phrasing like "you are ignorant of this"--at least in my experience--is almost invariably negative, since there's usually the implication that the ignorance marks a failing in the intellect or goodness of the accused, such as "if you were smarter, you would not be ignorant about this" or "if you were a better person, you would've made sure that you were informed about this." In fact, if anything, in this regard "invincible ignorance" is somewhat of an opposite, since it seems to refer to ignorance that comes without such a failing.
(I also notice that the Religion Moderator profile says, "When in doubt, avoid the use of the pronoun 'you' and Freeper's names - or put yourself in the other guy's shoes." I'm reminded of the fairly common advice to avoid "'you' language" in certain cases. I've found this advice to be useful.)
Also: be careful of using such reasoning as I quoted at the top (we recently had a "Word for the Day" post about "tuo quoque"). Someone who's read enough of the Religion Forum--or even just this thread--can easily turn it against Protestants and others.
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