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“Stains on the Sudarium of Oviedo Coincide with Those on the Shroud”
La Stampa-Vatican Insider ^ | 5/2/15 | Andrea Tornielli

Posted on 05/03/2015 10:03:13 AM PDT by marshmallow

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To: FredZarguna
Yes, Thermochimica Acta is ONE peer reviewed journal. [Although you did NOT cite the source when you quoted the paper.]

Yes I did. . . from my original post to you on this post.

"This was published: "Studies on the radiocarbon sample from the shroud of turin", Raymond N. Rogers, Los Alamos National Laboratory, University of California, 1961 Cumbres Patio, Los Alamos, NM 87544, USA Thermochimica Acta 425 (2005) 189–194

There are a lot more. Try researching it on your own. You throw out bricks without even reading. Then I realized you've pulled this with me before on the same subject. . . and you never accept anything, no matter how much proof is presented. So sorry. I am not going to jump through your hoops, play your skeptical games with you, or do your work for you.

Nevertheless, the Thermochimica Acta paper has been roundly criticized.

Just because you can find some scientists who criticize a paper, does not mean that it is wrong. They cannot falsify the findings that the materials are there. . . One side of the sample is Cotton, and the other side is Linen. The fact is that the samples are NOT homogenous even in their own consistency much less homogenous to the main body of the Shroud.

Statistically, the 1988 C-14 tests fail both the Chi^2 test and the F test for consistency. . . and there was deliberate changing of some of the results to push them into even that level of compliance. I provided you links to the math so you could replicate it yourself from the raw data that was finally provided after trying to get it for two years. That math has been checked and replicated numerous times. . . and it does NOT support the consistency of the samples.

Here's some help on your search (Note that many of these were published in PEER REVIEWED scientific and scholarly journals!):

The following is an exhaustive alphabetized list of all Shroud of Turin journal and magazine articles over the past 100 years.

ACCETTA, J.S. - J.S. BAUMGART - Infrared Reflectance Spectroscopy and Thermographic Investigations of the Shroud of Turin - Applied Optics, Vol. 19, No. 12, June 15, 1980, pp. 1921-1929.

ADLER, A.D. - Updating Recent Studies on the Shroud of Turin - American Chemical Society, Symposium Series No. 625, Chapter 17, 1996, pp. 223-228.

ALCOCK, J.E. - Comment to: MEACHAM, W. - The authentication of the Turin Shroud: An Issue in Archaeological Epistemology - Current Anthropology, Vol. 24, No. 3, June 1983, p. 295.

ALEXEFF, I. - Letter - The Shroud of Turin - Biblical Archaeology Review, July/Aug. 1984, p. 25.

ALLEN, P.S. - Archaeology Films - The Silent Witness: An Investigation into the Shroud of Turin - Archaeology, March/April 1982, pp. 80-81.

ALLEN, N.P.L. - Is the Shroud of Turin the first recorded photograph? - South African Journal of Art History, 11, November 11, 1993, pp. 23-32.

ALLEN, N.P.L. - A reappraisal of late thirteenth century responses to the Shroud of Lirey-Chambéry-Turin: encolpia of the eucharist, vera eikon or supreme relic? - Change and Medieval and Renaissance Studies, Gray , R. & Maré, E.A. (eds), Pretoria, UNISA, 1994.

ALLEN, N.P.L. - (P.F. SCHÜREK)- Verification of the nature and causes for the photo-negative images on the Shroud of Lirey-Chambéry-Turin - De Arte, 51, April 1995, pp. 21-35.

ALLEN, N.P.L. - How Leonardo did not fake the Shroud of Turin - De Arte, 52, April 1996, pp. 32-39.

ANDERSON, D.E. - Letter - The Shroud of Turin - Biblical Archaeology Review, July/Aug. 1984, p. 25.

ANDERSON, I. - Vatican undermines tests on Turin shroud - New Scientist, January 21, 1988, p. 22.

ANGIER, N. - Unraveling the Shroud of Turin - Discover, October 1982, pp. 54-60.

ANONYMOUS - M. Vignon's Researches and the "Holy Shroud" - Scientific American, May 24, 1902, pp. 368-370.

ANONYMOUS - An Intriguing Problem of Science and History - Scientific American, March 1937, p. 148.

ANONYMOUS - Reporter - The Shroud of Turin - Chemistry, March 1978, pp. 20-21.

ANONYMOUS - Analytical Chemistry - "Accelerating" carbon dating - Industrial Research/Development, April 1979.

ANONYMOUS - Shroud of Scientific Questions - Science News, Vol. 119, No. 17, April 25, 1981, pp. 259-260.

ANONYMOUS - Image problems for Shroud of Turin - Science News, Oct. 17, 1981, p. 245.

ANONYMOUS - Shroud Dating Isn't Ironed Out - Science News, 1987, 132, p. 302.

ANONYMOUS - Dating the Shroud - The Tablet, Jan. 30, 1988, p. 115.

ANONYMOUS - Turin Shroud Dated to 200-1000 A.D. in Secret Testing - Typescript for Release (W. Meacham), Oct. 14, 1988, pp. 1-2.

ANONYMOUS - Ma la sindone aveva bisogno del carbonio? - Tempo medico, 298, No. 17, 30 Novembre 1988, pp. 45-46.

ANONYMOUS - Rogue Fibres Found in the Shroud - Textile Horizons, December 1988.

ANONYMOUS - Using Science to Date an Icon of Faith - National Geographic, Feb. 1989.

ANONYMOUS - Suaire de Turin: la science une fois de plus contestée - Droit de réponse - Science & Vie, Sept. 1991, pp. 18-20.

ANONYMOUS - Reply - Mais non, cent fois non, nous ne sommes pas sectaires - Science & Vie, No. 898, Juillet 1992, p. 6.

ANONYMOUS - Microbes muddle Shroud of Turin's age - Science News, Vol. 147, June 3, 1995, p. 346.

ANONYMOUS - Shroud of Turin coated in plastic - Bioscience, Vol. 45, No. 8, Sept. 1995, p. 575.

ANTHONY, B.J. - Letter - Common Logic and the Shroud - Biblical Archaeology Review, Sept./Oct. 1984, p. 22.

AVIS, C. - D. LYNN - J. LORRE - S. LAVOIE - J. CLARK - E. ARMSTRONG - J. ADDINGTON - Image Processing of the Shroud of Turin - IEEE 1982 Proceedings of the International Conference on Cybernetics and Society, October 1982, pp. 554-558.

BAIMA BOLLONE, P.L. - Indagini identificative su fili della Sindone - Giornale della Accademia di Medicina di Torino, nº 1-12, 1982, pp. 228-239.

BALOSSINO, N. - La ricerca informatica sull'immagine della Sindone - Elettronica e Telecomunicazioni, Anno XLV, No. 1, Aprile 1996, pp. 1-11.

BARRET, J. - Science and the Shroud - Microbiology meets archaeology in a renewed quest for answers - The Mission, University of Texas Health Science Center, San Antonio, Vol. 23, No.1, Spring 1996, pp. 6-11.

BARRINGTON, K. - Science Tackles Ancient Puzzle - Seeks to Unravel Questions About Shroud - Science Digest, Sept. 1978, pp. 70-71.

BEDESCHI, E. - Sulla genesi della Sacra Sindone - Bollettino Chimico Farmaceutico, Fascicolo 20, Ottobre 1934.

BELL, P.H. - Letter - Medical World News, Feb. 2, 1981, p. 91.

BELYAKOV, A.- Prospects of Research of the Turin Shroud in Russia - Atti del Convegno di San Felice Circeo (LT), August 24-25, 1996, pp. 19-24.

BERNARDI, M. - Reazioni psicosomatiche del "Christus Passus" dal punto di vista dell'anatomo-patologo - Typescript, 11 Settembre 1987, pp. 1-23.

BONNET-EYMARD, B. - La phisique et la chimie du Saint Suaire - Contre-Réforme Catholique au XXe Siècle, Supplément Mai 1982, pp. 4-21.

BORISKIN, K.A. - Letter - Shroud talk - Science News, Vol. 115, No. 2, Jan. 13, 1979, p. 19.

BORKAN, M. - Ecce Homo? Science and the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin - Vertices, The Duke University Magazine of Science, Technology, and Medicine, Vol. X, No. 2, Winter 1995, pp. 11, 17,-51.

BORTIN, V. - Science and the Shroud of Turin - Biblical Archaeologist, Spring 1980, pp. 109-17.

BRAGLIA, F. - Lettera - Sindone: lunga coda - Tempo Medico, 309, 15 giugno 1989, p. 67-68.

BRUNATI, E. - Note critiche sulla datazione della S.Sindone con il radiocarbonio - Typescript, Gennaio 1994, pp. 1-45.

BRUNO, E.I. - Letter - The Shroud of Turin - Biblical Archaeology Review, July/Aug. 1984, p. 22.

BUCKLIN, R. - The legal and medical aspects of the trial and death of Christ - Medicine, Science, and the Law 10, 1970, pp. 14-26.

BUCKLIN, R. - The Shroud of Turin: a Pathologist's Viewpoint - Legal Medicine Annual, 1982.

BUCKLIN, R. - Comment to: MEACHAM, W. - The authentication of the Turin Shroud: An Issue in Archaeological Epistemology - Current Anthropology, Vol. 24, No. 3, June 1983, p. 295.

BULST, W. - Das Turiner Grabtuch neue Forschungen - Phisik, Chemie, Textilanalyse, Pollenanalyse, Immunbiologie, Bibelwissenschaft, Geschichte - Badenia Verlag, Karlsruhe, Sept. 8, 1983, pp. 1-17.

BUNOW, B. - Letter - The Mistery of the Shroud - Science, Sept. 1, 1978, p. 74.

BURDEN, A. - Shroud of Mistery - Science 81, Nov. 1981, pp. 76-83.

BURDICK, S.C. - Letter - More on the Shroud of Turin - Biblical Archaeology Review, Nov./Dec. 1984, p. 18.

R. BURLEIGH - M. LEESE - M. TITE - An Intercomparison of Some AMS and Small Gas Counter Laboratories - Radiocarbon, Vol. 28, No. 2A, 1986, pp. 571-577.

BURRIDGE, K.O.L. - Comment to: MEACHAM, W. - The authentication of the Turin Shroud: An Issue in Archaeological Epistemology - Current Anthropology, Vol. 24, No. 3, June 1983, p. 296.

BUSSON, P. - Letter - Sampling error? - Nature, Vol. 352, July 18, 1991, p. 187.

CAMPILONGO, M. - Lettera - Il Lenzuolo della discordia - Tempo Medico, 306, No. 7, 30 Aprile 1989.

CARDAMONE-BLACKSBURG, J.- La cellulosa dal lino; caratterizzazione e datazione - Typescript, Symposium Scientifique International de Paris sur le Linceul de Turin, 7-8 Septembre 1989, pp. 1-5.

CARROLL, R. - Letter - Faking the shroud - Science 82, Jan./Feb. 1982, p. 16.

CARTER, G.F. - Formation of the Image on the Shroud of Turin by x-Rays: A New Hypothesis - Archaeological Chemistry, 1984, pp. 425-446.

CASE, T. - The physics of a Miracle - Typescript, s.d., pp. 1-27 (1995).

CERUTI, A. - La biochimica vegetale spiega le impronte sulla Sindone - Piemonte, IX, No. 4, Luglio-Agosto 1981, pp. 30-31.

CLEMENTS, W. - Letter - More shroud talk - Science News, Vol. 115, No. 3, Jan. 20, 1979, p. 35.

COGHLAN, A. - Unexpected errors affect dating techniques - New Scientist, Sept. 30, 1989, p. 26.

COLE, J.R. - Comment to: MEACHAM, W. - The authentication of the Turin Shroud: An Issue in Archaeological Epistemology - Current Anthropology, Vol. 24, No. 3, June 1983, p. 296-297.

CORNWELL, J. - Science and the Shroud - J. Cornwell interviews Edward Hall - The Tablet, Jan. 14, 1989, p. 36-38.

CRAIG, E.A. - R.R. BRESEE- Image Formation and the Shroud of Turin - Journal of Imaging Science and Technology, Vol. 34, No. 1, Jan./Feb. 1994, pp. 59-67.

CULLITON, B. J. - The Mystery of the Shroud of Turin Challenges 20th-Century Science - Science 201, July 21, 1978, pp. 235-39.

CULLITON, B. J. - The Turin Shroud - Omni, Oct. 1978, pp. 92-96.

DALE, W.S.A. - The Shroud of Turin : Relic or Icon ? - Nuclear Instruments And Methods In Physics Research, Vol. B29, No.1,2, Nov.1987, pp. 187-192.

DAMON, P.E.- D.J. DONAHUE - B.H. GORE - A.L. HATHEWAY - A.J.T. JULL - T.W. LINICK - P.J. SERCEL - L.J. TOOLIN - C.R. BRONK - E.T. HALL - R.E.M. HEDGES - R. HOUSLEY - I.A. LAW - C. PERRY - G. BONANI - S. TRUMBORE -W. WOELFLI - J.C. AMBERS - S.G.E. BOWMAN - M.N. LEESE - M.S. TITE - Radiocarbon dating of the Shroud of Turin - Nature, Vol. 337, February 16, 1989, pp. 611-615.

DELAGE, Y. - Le Linceul de Turin - Revue Scientifique 22,1902, pp.683-87.

DEL CORRAL, A. - Lettera - La Sindone scatena la controversia - Tempo Medico, 28 Febbraio 1989, p. 63-64.

DENT, R.J. - Comment to: MEACHAM, W. - The authentication of the Turin Shroud: An Issue in Archaeological Epistemology - Current Anthropology, Vol. 24, No. 3, June 1983, p. 297.

DEVAN, D. - V. MILLER - Quantitative Photography of the Shroud of Turin - IEEE 1982 Proceedings of the International Conference on Cybernetics and Society, October 1982, pp. 548-553.

DICKMAN, S. - Shroud a good forgery - Nature, Vol. 335, Oct. 20, 1988, p. 663.

DILLNER, J. - Letter - The Shroud of Turin - Biblical Archaeology Review, July/Aug. 1984, p. 78.

DINEGAR, R. H. - Operation STURP - The Living Church, March 4, 1979, pp. 9-10 and 15.

DINEGAR, R. H. - Toward unhoaxing The Shroud of Turin - The Living Church, Feb. 10, 1980, pp. 9-11.

DINEGAR, R. H. - The Shroud of Turin - A Look at the Overall Picture - The Living Church, May 17, 1981, pp. 9-11.

DINEGAR, R.H. - L. A. SCHWALBE - Isotope Measurements and Provenance Studies of the Turin Shroud - in Archaeological Chemistry IV, Ed. Ralph O. Allen, Advances in Chemistry Series 220, American Chemical Society, Washington, DC, 1989, Chapter 23, pp. 409-417.

DONOVAN, V. J. - The Shroud and the laws of probability - The Catholic Digest, April 1980, pp. 49-52.

DRAKOFF, R. - Letter - The Mistery of the Shroud - Science, Sept. 1, 1978, p. 74.

DREISBACH, A.R. - What does Science do when the preponderance of evidence conflicts with its C-14 dating? - Typescript, Second Annual Humanities, Science and Technology Conference, Ferris State University, 1989, pp. 19.

DUTTON, D. - Letter - Still Shrouded in Mistery - Nature, Vol. 327, May 7, 1987, p. 10.

DUTTON, D. - Letter - Protocols for Turin Shroud - Nature, Vol. 331, January 14, 1988, p. 108.

DUTTON, D. - Letter - The Shroud of Turin - Nature, Vol. 332, March 24, 1988, p. 300.

EDWARDS, W.D. - W.J. GABEL - F.E. HOSMER - On the Physical Death of Jesus Christ - JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association), Vol. 255, No.11, March 21, 1986, pp. 1455-1463.

EMILIANI, C. - Letter - Shroud of Turin - Nature, Vol. 353, Oct. 17, 1991, p.598.

ERCOLINE, W.R. - R.C. DOWNS Jr. - J.P. JACKSON - Examination of the Turin Shroud for Image Distorions - IEEE 1982 Proceedings of the International Conference on Cybernetics and Society, October 1982, pp. 576-579.

ERICKSON, J. - Letter - Science and the Shroud - Science News, Vol. 119, No. 20, May 16, 1981, p. 307.

FANTI G. – MAGGIOLO R– The double superficiality of the frontal image of the Turin Shroud – Journal of Optics A: Pure and Applied Optics, 6 (2004), pp. 491-503.

FANTI G. – MORONI M. – Comparison of Luminance Between Face of Turin Shroud Man and Experimental Results – Journal of Imaging Science and Technology, Vol. 46, No. 2, March-April 2002, pp. 142-154.

FERRERO F. – TESTORE F. – MALUCELLI G. – TONIN C. – Thermal Degradation of Linen Textiles: The Effects of Ageing and Cleaning – The Journal of The Textile Institute, Vol. 89, Part. 1 No. 3, 1998, pp. 562-569.

FESENKO, A. V. – BELYAKOV, A. V. – TIL’KUNOV, Y. N. – MOSKVINA, T. P. – On the dating of the Shroud of Turin – Herald of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Vol. 71, No. 5, 2001, pp. 528-531.

FILAS, F.L. - Letter - No doubt about letters on the Shroud - Industrial Research/Development, April 1980.

FILAS, F.L. - Letter - Medical World News, Feb. 2, 1981, p. 91.

FILAS, F.L. - Letter - The Shroud of Turin: Roman Coins and Funerary Customs - Biblical Archaeologist, Vol. 44, No. 3, Summer 1981, pp. 135-137.

FREDENA, P.C.- Letter - More on the Shroud of Turin - Biblical Archaeology Review, Nov./Dec. 1984, p. 18.

FRIEND, J.A. - Letter - The Shroud of Turin - Biblical Archaeology Review, July/Aug. 1984, p. 78.

FUMAGALLI, G. - Lettera - Sindone: lunga coda - Tempo Medico, 309, 15 giugno 1989, p. 66-67.

GAETANO, D. - Letter - Shroud talk - Science News, Vol. 115, No. 2, Jan. 13, 1979, p. 19.

GARLASCHELLI, L. - Teli, monetine... e caramelle - Scienza & Paranormale, Anno IV, No. 2, Agosto 1992, pp. 36-37.

GARLASCHELLI, L. - Il mistero del telo sindonico - La Chimica e l'Industria, 80, Giugno 1998, pp. 629-632.

GARLASCHELLI, L. - Indagine sulla Sindone - Scienza & Paranormale No. 19, Maggio-Giugno 1998, pp. 20-41.

GARZA-VALDES, L. A. - Bio-plastic coating on the Shroud of Turin, a preliminary report - Typescript, San Antonio, Texas, Sept. 11, 1993, pp. 1-12.

GILBERT R., Jr. - M.M. GILBERT - Ultraviolet-Visible Reflectance and Fluorescence Spectra of the Shroud of Turin - Applied Optics, Vol. 19, No. 12, June 15, 1980, pp. 1930-1936.

GOLDONI, C. - Lettera - Il Lenzuolo della discordia - Tempo Medico, 306, No. 7, 30 Aprile 1989.

GRAHAM, B. - Letter - The Mistery of the Shroud - Science, Sept. 1, 1978, p. 74.

GRAHAM, C. - Letter - The Shroud of Turin - Biblical Archaeology Review, July/Aug. 1984, p. 78.

GOVE, H.E. - Letter - More shroud talk - Science News, Vol. 115, No. 3, Jan. 20, 1979, p. 35.

GOVE, H.E. - Letter - Turin Shroud - Nature, Vol. 327, June 25, 1987, p. 652.

GOVE, H.E. - Turin Workshop on Radiocarbon Dating the Turin Shroud - Nuclear Instruments And Methods In Physics Research, Vol. B29, No.1,2, Nov. 1987, pp. 193-195.

GOVE, H.E. - Radiocarbon-dating the shroud - Nature, Vol. 333, May 12, 1988, p. 110.

GOVE, H.E. - Progress in Radiocarbon Dating the Shroud of Turin - Radiocarbon, Vol. 31, No. 3, 1989, pag. 965-969.

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HABERMAS, G. - Letter - The Shroud of Turin - Biblical Archaeology Review, July/Aug. 1984, p. 24-25.

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HARRIS, C.W. - Letter - The Shroud of Turin - Biblical Archaeology Review, July/Aug. 1984, p. 23.

HEDGES, R.E.M. - Replies - Nature, Vol. 337, February 16, 1989, p. 594.

HEDGES, R.E.M. - R. A. HOUSLEY - C.R. BRONK - G.J. VAN KLINKEN - Radiocarbon dates from the Oxford AMS system: Archaeometry datelist 11 - Historical and religious artefacts - Shroud of Turin - Archaeometry, Vol. 32, Part 2, Aug. 1990, p. 233.

HELLER, J.H. - A.D. ADLER - Blood on the Shroud of Turin - Applied Optics, Vol. 19, No. 16, August 15, 1980, pp. 2742-2744.

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JACKSON, J.P. - Comment to: MEACHAM, W. - The authentication of the Turin Shroud: An Issue in Archaeological Epistemology - Current Anthropology, Vol. 24, No. 3, June 1983, p. 297.

JACKSON, J.P. - Letter - The Shroud of Turin - Biblical Archaeology Review, July/Aug. 1984, p. 22-23.

JACKSON, J.P. - E. ARTHURS - L.A. SCHWALBE - R.M. SEGA - D.E. WINDISCH - W.H. LONG - E.A. STAPPAERTS - Infrared laser heating for studies of cellulose degradation - Applied Optics, Vol. 27, No. 18, Sept. 15, 1988, pp. 3937-3943.

JACKSON, J.P. - E.J. JUMPER - W.R. ERCOLINE - Three Dimensional Characteristic of the Shroud Image - IEEE 1982 Proceedings of the International Conference on Cybernetics and Society, October 1982, pp. 559-575.

JACKSON, J.P. - E.J. JUMPER - W.R. ERCOLINE - Correlation of Image Intensity on the Turin Shroud with the 3-D Structure of a Human Body Shape - Applied Optics, Vol. 23, No. 14, July 15, 1984, pp. 2244-2270.

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JOHNSON, D. - Letter - More shroud talk - Science News, Vol. 115, No. 3, Jan. 20, 1979, p. 35.

JOHNSON, R.J. - The Shroud of Turin - Industrial Research/Development, Dec. 1979, pp. 74-78.

JOHNSON, R.J. - Scientists examine The Shroud of Turin - Industrial Research/Development, Feb. 1980, pp. 145-150.

JULL, A.J.T. - D.J. DONAHUE - P.E.DAMON - Factors Affecting the Apparent Radiocarbon Age of Textiles: A Comment on "Effects of fires and biofractionation of carbon isotopes on results of radiocarbon dating of olt textiles: the Shroud of Turin", by D.A. Kouznetsov et al. - Journal of Archaeological Science, 1996, 23, pp. 157-160.

JUMPER, E.J. - An Overview of the Testing Performed by the Shroud of Turin Research Project with a Summary of Results - IEEE 1982 Proceedings of the International Conference on Cybernetics and Society, October 1982, pp. 535-537.

JUMPER, E.J. - A.D. ADLER - J.P. JACKSON - S.F. PELLICORI - J.H. HELLER - J.R. DRUZIK - A Comprehensive Examination of the Various Stains and Images on the Shroud of Turin - Archaeological Chemistry III, ACS Advances in Chemistry nº 205, J.B. Lambert, Editor, Chapter 22, American Chemical Society, Washington D.C., 1984, pp. 447-476.

JUMPER, E.J. - J.P. JACKSON - K. STEVENSON - Images of a coin on a Burial Cloth? - The Numismatist, Vol. 91, 1978, pp. 1350-1357.

JUMPER, E.J. - R.W. MOTTERN - Scientific Investigation of the Shroud of Turin - Applied Optics, Vol. 19, No. 12, June15, 1980, pp. 1909-1912.

JUMPER, E.J. - K. STEVENSON, Jr. - J.P. JACKSON - Images of Coins on a Burial Cloth? - The Numismatist, July 1978, pp. 1349-1357.

KING, D. - A parallel for the linen of the Turin Shroud - Centre International d'Ètude des textiles anciens, Bulletin 67, 1989, pp. 25-26.

KNUDSON, A.G. Jr. - Letter - The Mistery of the Shroud - Science, Sept. 1, 1978, p. 74

KOHLBECK, J.A. - E.L. NITOWSKI - New evidence may explain image on Shroud of Turin - Biblical Archaeology Review, Vol. XII, No. 4, July-August 1986, pp. 18-29.

KOUZNETSOV, D.A. - La datazione radiocarbonica della Sindone di Torino: quanto fu accurata e quanto potrebbe essere accurata? - Atti del Convegno di San Felice Circeo (LT), 24-25 Agosto 1996, pp. 13-18.

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This included tests based on polarized light microscopy before 1980, which proved that there is no blood on "The Shroud," and that the colors found on "The Shroud" were nothing more than paints common in the 14th century. These tests were confirmed in 1981 using X-ray diffraction, scanning electron microscopy and energy dispersive X-ray determinations. The "blood" elements present on "The Shroud" were iron, mercury and sulfur common in the two paints found by earlier investigators.

I just knew you were going to trot out Walter C. McCrone and his idiotic polarized light microscope and tempera paints. . . which have NEVER been replicated by any other scientist looking at any Shroud blood or image samples or in situ, including his own Electron Microscope specialists. There was no vermilion (HgS) found in the blood areas on the Shroud. no significant sulfur found, no significant Mercury found, no tempera residues (McCrone even announced it was a 10% dilute solution! Eery chemist has stated categorically there is absolutely no way one could determine the saturation of any solution after it has dried, yesterday, 700 or 2000 years later! LOL!) and while there was Iron Oxide in the blood stains, it is in the organic form, and was from the blood itself. I am afraid that THREE world renowned experts in blood fractions and blood methemoglobin TRUMP your microscopist and his claiming to see tempera paint. . . especially as his story changed depending on when he told it.

I'll take the same aside as you. . . Bishops Henri of Portier's letter was never sent. The only copy ever found was a draft letter in the Portier's files and no copy has ever been found in the far more comprehensive Vatican files. Henri had his own interest in protecting the income of his Cathedral and the pilgrims coming to see his relics. The record shows that the Chapel at Lirey did not accept donations from Pilgrims and in fact Geoffrey de Charney bankrupted his family in supporting the chapel.

X-ray diffraction, scanning electron microscopy and energy dispersive X-ray determinations showed exactly the opposite of what you are claiming. If you have such evidence, post the links. . . I know you can't because they don't exist. Just more lies from the skeptics. . . who have never had any samples to test except those that McCrone had in his possession and refused to pass on, referring to them as "His samples". They were finally physically and forcibly retrieved by the STURP leadership.

McCrone himself said he was "determined to prove the Shroud a fraud by the use of his optical microscope," and refused to allow his Electron Microsope group to have access to the samples until way late.

"By January 1980 [i.e., by about 1 year after receiving Shroud slides], I had prepared two technical papers for publication.... Only then, did I allow the electron optics group at McCrone Associates to examine the “Shroud” fibers and tapes. I prevented them from doing this earlier because I (selfishly) wished to see polarized light microscopy solve the “Shroud” problem without assistance."70
Instead, the people who did run those tests using equipment so sensitive that it could discern the chemical make up of the vinyl baggies the threads had be transported in, so accurate the testers could discern the MAKE of those baggies from that chemical composition, found NO signs of any pigments, no HgS, no tempera, no lead, nothing except the natural elements expected to be found in Linen. . . and the coating of the starches on the fibers. Any foreign pigments would have stuck out like red flags. . . and the spikes they would have formed were simply NOT THERE.

McCrone is a microscopist, not a specialist in old blood. . . but Heller and Adler are specialist in their fields. McCrone and other skeptic investigators never got their old blood into solution because they did not know how; Adler and Heller, being specialists and experts in their fields did know how.

When Adler and Heller did their test with a Zeiss microspectrophotometer, they were looking for a very specific wavelength that is absorbed only by blood porphyrins: 410 nanometers. Red Ocher, Albumin, egg or other wise, and tempera, nor Vermillion will absorb anywhere near there, only blood porphyrins. The blood on the shroud samples spiked at exactly 410 nanometers. They proceeded to perform more than 40 different specific tests for blood, blood descendants, hemoglobins, blood fractions, immunological surveys, and even DNA fractions. ALL POSITIVE for blood. You do NOT get all of those tests positive with tempera paint or any other kind of paint, Fred, in fact, Fred, you will get ZERO positive results. ZERO not forty!

These findings HAVE been published in peer-reviewed scientific journals. . . and McCrone only published in his own vanity magazine "The Microscopist" edited by Walter C. McCrone, published by McCrone Associates.

The Adler and Heller tests have been replicated by other scientists over the many years since they did them in 1980, while not ONE single scientists has been able to replicate McCrone's microscope findings. Not one. No pigments have been found in the image areas of the Shroud that rise to the level of visibility. . . and while there are some pigments on the Shroud, they are environmental deposits, spread randomly on the Shroud with no concentrations in any image or non-image areas and bear no statistical relationship to the image or blood areas. These are indisputable facts, Fred.

The fact is we now know what the image is made of, and it is not paint of any kind or any pigments. It is a caramelizing discoloration of the saccharide starch fractions left on the surface individual fibers of the flax when it was retted with a soapwort plant extract before it was even spun into yarn before weaving into a cloth. That coating is about the thickness of a soap bubble, 100 nanometers thick, and the coloring is a melanoidin reaction which can be caused by many factors including age, heat, chemical change, radiation, high intensity light exposure, gaseous exudation, or unknown causes. Whatever modality formed the caramelization of only that portion of the coating acted in a completely vertically collimated vector, upwards and downwards, with apparently little to no error in any other vector and completely attenuated within 5 to 10 centimeters from the body.

McCrone's findings have been falsified multiple times. . . and in peer-reviewed literature.

62 posted on 05/05/2015 12:27:13 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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Virtually none of those are peer reviewed. Scientific American, National Geographic, Science News, Science Digest and Letters written to peer reviewed Journals do not constitute peer reviewed research.

WOW! Another one of your lies. You cherry picked out the few that may not be from that list. . . try this selection of journals instead, also from that list, the vast majority of these ARE Peer-reviewed scientific or scholarly journals, unlike your cherry picked popular journals. . . (Journals marked with an asterisk are skeptical journals):




63 posted on 05/05/2015 1:26:24 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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What does God say... the nations are as nothing in His balance, they are less than nothing...

All this pomposity is heading down the wrong spiritual road and misses why Christ did the things which many conclude left behind the Shroud as artifact. A supernatural artifact is difficult to vet because now you are dealing with a potential suite of actors beyond any human skill known. The “Christ then” means nothing unless He is also a “Christ now.”

It reminds me of the folks who get all engrossed in the bible codes to find their treasures of status if not of worldly wealth, and care not a whit for the redemptive plan of God for rank sinners, which are all of us.


64 posted on 05/05/2015 6:47:16 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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Well done Swordmaker, well done. Thank you, As science progresses in time, the Shroud reveals more.


65 posted on 05/05/2015 8:42:38 AM PDT by ex-snook (To conquer use Jesus, not bombs.)
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I notice a certain atheist has not bothered to show his face here trying to misrepresent the facts again. . . He thinks he could pull the wool over our eyes by claiming something right in front of our faces is something it is not. Three times, no less. He’s been hoist on his own petard, quite highly, I think. I’d like to see him try to say those scientists are “pseudoscientists” and those peer-reviewed scientific and scholarly journals are not peer-reviewed. LOL!


66 posted on 05/05/2015 2:27:03 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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