Posted on 05/01/2015 2:36:22 PM PDT by NYer
Just like EVERY Catholic edict ever put in place!
A mass of the faithful assemble together and VOTE on what is going to go down.
Oh?
Yes.
you mean that we should look at what the numerous councils that have assembled over the years to see what was NOT passed in them.
Right?
You can say this 'til the cows goats come home; but it is STILL not found in the Bible.
Admit it and move on.
Now THIS is a darned good question!
I'm glad you asked it!
Mary is dead and unable to answer any Catholic prayers; no matter WHAT 3 kids from that place that ain't Spain claimed.
Your argument is NOT with me; but your OWN chosen religion!
Augustine and the Catechism.
My only complaint is that they didn’t use pinking shears...
Oh go ahead!
It doesn't seem to bother some of your compatriots to do so!
Like...
Then Peter began to speak:
"I now realize how true it is that GOD does NOT show favoritism, but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right."
Acts 10:34-35
"The Masses" indeed!
We Freepers are SO much more knowledgeable about MOST things than the masses.
We ARE dismissed by the powers that be (in EVERY field) because we are few in number.
Sadly; propaganda DOES work; if done correctly!
How ELSE can we explain the RAPID, almost meteoric change in the attitudes of HOMOSEXUALITY in this country in the last few decades?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message
It is too well imbedded.
The lurkers here (poor devils!) have gotten the message.
Time to move on...
And they aren't submitting their "will and intellect" to the magisterium as their Catechism commands.
You might want to take a look at CCC 552
CCC 553 is a doozie as well. It appears that Peter is the only ONE with the keys (well that ain’t in the Bible). I hope he doesn’t lose them.
Yet it could translate that way: "Thou art Rock and upon this Rock..." would be an equivalent translation.
The problem with English is that Rock is almost never used as a male given name (except for Rock Hudson I can't think of one--- and the translations were done pre-Rock Hudson!); but in languages were the word "Rock" is a given name, that's how they translate the whole verse consistently. Check it out:
FRENCH(Iscool)"If they meant the same thing, Jesus would have used the same word for both rocks..."18 Et moi, je te déclare: Tu es Pierre, et sur cette pierre j'édifierai mon Eglise...
HILIGAYANG/Filipino
18 Kag tungod sini ginatawag ko ikaw nga kon sayuron bato. Kag sa sini nga bato pagatukuron ko ang akon iglesya,
ITALIAN
18 Tu sei Pietro e su questa pietra costruirò la mia Chiesa; e tutte le potenze dell’inferno non potranno vincerla mai.
(Pietro and pietra are masc. and fem. of the same word)
RUSSIAN
18 И Я говорю тебе: ты – скала, и на этой скале Я построю вселенскую общину Моих последователей,
(скала and скале are masc. and fem. of the same word)
PORTUGUESE
18 Pois também eu te digo que tu és Pedro e sobre esta pedra edificarei a minha igreja,
(Pedro and pedra are masc. and fem. of the same word.
But He did:
GREEK
18 καγω δε σοι λεγω οτι συ ει πετρος και επι ταυτη τη πετρα οικοδομησω μου την εκκλησιαν και πυλαι αδου ου κατισχυσουσιν αυτης
(πετρος and πετρα are masc. and fem. of the same word)
You say: "It is foolish to claim Jesus used two different words that mean the same thing in the same sentence..." ... but the fact is, Jesus DID use the same word, and it is foolish to claim he would use the same word twice, in the same sentence, to mean different things.
In 431, with the Council at Ephesus, the worship of Mary as ‘The Mother of God’ crept in as tradition. In 607 Boniface 111 was the first ‘Pope’ named. The doctrine of Purgatory wasn’t decreed until 1439. Tradition wasn’t granted equality with scripture until 1545. But in 1530 the Protestants were killing any lay pastors teaching publicly, so splitting from Rome didn’t seem to shed the devil’s errands.
The Catholic Church Fathers said that the different gender was due to the Petra being the profession by Peter, whereas the Petros was to designate the man, Peter.
To make the profession establishes a foundation so solid that no one can snatch us from God's hand (to mix two metaphors). The Holy Spirit inspired the use of the masculine and then the feminine so there would be no mistake that it is a foundational thing at issue. Then Jesus immediately gives Peter the keys to the Kingdom.
And every time someone makes that same profession and believes God raised Him from the dead as their Savior, they are added to the 'thing being constructed' during the Church Age 'pause' in the 490 years assigned for God dealing with the Jews specifically. Thus the Church, the Ekklesiaa of believers, is being constructed upon a foundation which Peter illustrated with his profession, and this did not flee from him even though he denied Jesus thrice just a few days later! Peter was added into the construction project upon professing, and since he was the first added, he was given the keys to open the Church Age at Pentecost.
Actually that is not true. Eastern dialects and Aramaic idioms would employ such usages to make a point or a pun. In this case Jesus was contrasting the smaller shakier rock of Peter with Himself - The Rock. The Apostles and anyone else at that era would have understood and enjoyed construction of that sentence.
"Petra" means "Rock."
If you're going to use it as a masculine name, it becomes "Petros." Works the same in any gendered language, as shown.
It's "You are Rock, and upon this Rock I will build my Church."
It's as if to say, "You are Slate, and upon this slate I will write my message."
Or "you are Hoss and upon this hoss I will ride to many places."
BTW whether this establishes an "exclusive" Petrine primacy here, is not the point. I’m fine with everybody ("Come o-o-o-n-n-n-, everybody!") having a part of Peter’s mission and his ministry -— each according to the gifts God has given him and the situation in which God has placed him.
It's just as we all have a part in Jesus' ministry: we're in Him and He's in us --- and I hope we can say with St. Paul "I live; yet not 'I', but Christ lives in me."
I’m just trying to establish something here about how the metaphor works. “Peter” is obviously not literally a 1,200 pound boulder; nor is the Lord manifestly slapping mortar on his back with a trowel and then layering on bricks to make a literal building with a man immured within it.
It’s a double metaphor, then. And it hinges on Petros matching petra.
This is so obvious it's getting embarrassing to keep explaining it.
You are in fact not at all embarrassed to contradict the teaching of Rome, apparently. Have you even read the posts Elsie puts up showing the teaching of the Romish Church Fathers on this issue? And I ask you, what gender would a Koine Greek writer have used in 100AD when writing about a declaration or oath?
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