Posted on 05/01/2015 2:36:22 PM PDT by NYer
The keys Peter was given were to open the 'narrow gate' accessed by the profession put in Peter's mouth by The Holy Spirit. Some want to make more of the keys than is necessary, because it is one of the foundational powers the Catholic Church (and the Mormons) have tried to claim for themselves. Nothing these 'other' imposter key holders can do will make the Holy Spirit come into the professing believer/faither. Peter opened it, and like the Rock from which water flowed in the Desert, it only need be opened once.
I believe it was the Prophet Joel who was given a vision of the state of the Saved in Christ, but it remained a mystery that The Holy PSirit would come into the believer.faither, profess er with the profession Peter uttered first before the Lord in front of others. That indwelling Holy Spirit earnest of our inheritance is what I believe makes it possible for ONLY the Saved during the Chucrh Age to be snatched away in the Rapture written of by Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles. See [ 1Thess 4: 13-17 and 1Cor 15 ]
People believe their own interpretation of what the Bible says — hence I pointed out that there are Oneness Pentecostals who say the Trinity is a false construct. Then there are various Protestant groups who believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist (Lutherans) and those who don’t. Your post is really asking “Why don’t believe believe in my interpretation of the Bible rather than theirs?”
“From my research” — please could you point it out. Even the various non-Catholic folks who reject these don’t say they were false, just that they were not, in their opinion, canon
MHGinTN -- it would be good if you would argue based on reality not some fantasies about what Catholics believe in -- it's like someone arguing with you "why do you beat your wife" -- equally based on non-fact
Jesus quoted from the Deuterocanon: Deuterocanonical Books in the New Testament
Also, the early Christians used the Septuagint, not the Masoretic version, as it didn't exist yet.
FYI, the Books of Tobit and Sirach, along with Baruch chapter 6 were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. All are deuterocanonical.
Quoting from here
In the Sacrament, our Confessions further teach, the same Jesus who died is present in the Sacrament, ...and here
Q. In communion, do we commune with the sacrificed body and blood of Jesus, or the resurrected body and blood of Jesus? A. The answer to your question is that we receive in, with, and under the bread and wine the true body and blood of Christ shed on the cross, Jesus ChristDifferent from the Catholic belief, but still Lutherans believe in the REAL presence in the Eucharist
so it’s not only the Roman Catholic, but also the Lutheran and some Anglicans and Methodists and some Reformed like the Reformed Church in America, the United Church of Christ besides the Eastern Orthodox, the Coptic Church, the Armenian Church, the Syrian Church, the Assyrian Church of the East — the majority of Christendom in fact have held to this belief
| 20When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. |
| 9And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. |
| 19And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude. |
| 36And he took the seven loaves and the fishes, and gave thanks, and brake them, and gave to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude. |
| 6And he commanded the people to sit down on the ground: and he took the seven loaves, and gave thanks, and brake, and gave to his disciples to set before them; and they did set them before the people. |
| 19When I brake the five loaves among five thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? They say unto him, Twelve. 20And when the seven among four thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? And they said, Seven. 21And he said unto them, How is it that ye do not understand? |
| 26And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. |
| 24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. |
| 13And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs. 14And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 15And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. 16But their eyes were holden that they should not know him. 17And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad? 18And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days? 19And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: 20And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. 21But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. 22Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre; 23And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive. 24And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not. 25Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: 26Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 27And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. 28And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further. 29But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them. 30And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. 31And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight. 32And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures? 33And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, 34Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon. 35And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread. |
| 42And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers |
| 46And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, |
| 7And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. |
| 11When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed |
| 15By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name. |
| 5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. |
| 13I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD. |
| 17I will offer to thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving, and will call upon the name of the LORD. |
| 11For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts. |
Eucharist, because it is an action of thanksgiving to God. The Greek words eucharistein
Lk 22:19
| 19And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. |
| 24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. |
| 26And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. |
| 22And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body. |
| 20Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. |
| 28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. |
1 Cor 11:23-26
| 23For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. |
Everything connects. The hyssop that was used to give Christ the vinegar was the same herb that Israelites used to sprinkle the blood of the lamb on their doorways to mark their houses.
The complete lamb, unblemished, with no broken legs, the perfect sacrifice
When Jesus taught about the Eucharist, he spoke with a profound realism. At the Last Supper, he didn't say, "This is a symbol of my body." He said, "This is my body…" And when he gave his most in-depth teaching on the Eucharist, he spoke in a very realistic way — in a way that makes clear that the Eucharist is not just a symbol of Jesus, but is his flesh and blood made sacramentally present.
Let's enter into that dramatic scene, known as "The Bread of Life Discourse" in John's Gospel chapter six. Jesus had just performed his greatest miracle so far, multiplying loaves and fish to feed 5,000 people. The crowds are in awe. They declare him to be the great "prophet who is to come" and want to carry him off to make him king (John 6:14-15).
But the very next day, Jesus says something that sends his public approval ratings plummeting, something that makes those same raving fans now oppose him. Even some of his own disciples will walk away from him. What does Jesus say that was so controversial? He taught about partaking of his body and blood in the Eucharist. Jesus first says, "I am the bread of life…the true bread come down from heaven" (John 6:35). And he makes clear that he is not bread in some vague, figurative sense. He concludes, "…and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh" (John 6:51).
The people are shocked at this. They say, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" (John 6:52).
The Jews listening that day don't take Jesus as speaking metaphorically, as if we are to somehow only symbolically eat of his flesh. They understand Jesus very well. They know he is speaking realistically here, and that's why they are appalled.
Now here's the key: Jesus has every opportunity to clarify his teaching. But notice how that's precisely what he doesn't do. He doesn't back up and say, "Oh wait…I'm sorry…You misunderstood. I was only speaking metaphorically here!" He doesn't soften his teaching, saying "You just need to nourish yourself on my teaching, my wisdom, my love." Jesus does just the opposite. He uses even more graphic, more intense language to drive his point home: "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you" (John 6:53). And he goes on to underscore how essential partaking of his body and blood is for our salvation.
"He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him" (6:54-55).
In fact, Jesus now uses a word for "eat" that has even greater graphic intensity — trogein, which means to chew or gnaw — not a word that would be used figuratively here!
This is not the language of someone speaking metaphorically. Jesus wants to give us his very body and blood in the Eucharist. In fact, Jesus now uses a word for "eat" that has even greater graphic intensity — trogein, which means to chew or gnaw — not a word that would be used figuratively here!
So challenging is this teaching that even many of Christ's disciples are bewildered, saying "This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?" (John 6:60). Indeed, Christ's words on the Eucharist were too much for some of them to believe. Many of his disciples rejected Jesus over this teaching and left him (John 6:66). And Jesus let them go. He didn't chase after them, saying, "Wait! You misunderstood me." They understood quite well that Jesus was speaking about eating his flesh and blood, and they rejected this teaching. That's why Jesus let them go.
So it's clear that Jesus wants to give us his Body and Blood in the Eucharist. But we still must ask, why? In the Jewish, Biblical worldview of Jesus' day, the body is an expression of the whole person and the life is in the blood. So by giving us his Body and Blood in the Eucharist, Jesus is giving his very life to us, and he wants to unite himself to us in the most intimate way possible. He wants to fill us with his life and heal us of our wounds, strengthen us in his love change us to become more and more like him. That's the life-transforming power of the Eucharist in our lives. In Holy Communion, we have the most profound union with Our Lord Jesus Christ that we can have here on earth.
Especially when you remember that the original verse was in Aramaic which does not have this declination for locative from nominative -- so it was "you are Kepha and on this kepha I will build my Church"
You don't have to know Koine Greek (which is difficult), but knowledge of at least one other language would prevent a lot of mistakes
Case in point, this bit about declinations -- if you know only English, you don't understand this -- you may know the vestiges like who, whom, him etc. but the concept of declining the preceding noun and/or adjective to indicate a sense is alien to English thought (and that makes English a far less precise language -- the most precise one I would hold to be Sanskrit, but classical Latin comes second)
Another case is the frequent accusation that Easter is from Eostre and blah-blah, forgetting that in most European languages Easter is actually Paschal/Wiekanoc/Great Night/Pascua etc.
If one is monolingual, one won't understand it
On what day do we read that God declared that He had begotten His Son?
I take it you meant to ask what day do we read that God declared that He was well pleased with His beloved Son.
This is a scene I hold dearly in my heart, particularly from the perspective of the first disciple, Andrew.
I reflect on how fishermen along the Sea of Galilee, including Andrew and his brother Simon, along with their fishing partners James and John, had heard about a mighty preacher named John the Baptist, who was fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah, that he was a voice of one crying out in the desert: “Prepare the way of the Lord, make straight his path.” It happened one day that a group of them went over to listen to John. John was an imposing figure. His garment was made of camel’s hair with a leather belt girded about his waist, and his diet consisted of locust and wild honey. He was preaching a baptism of repentance and baptizing his followers in the River Jordan.
He spoke of one who was to come after him, one mightier than he, that he was not fit to unfasten the straps of his sandals. John said that while he baptized with water, the one to come would baptize with the Holy Spirit.
It happened that the one to come did arrive. His name was Jesus. He was from a village in the hill country above the Sea of Galilee called Nazareth. John wanted Jesus to baptize him, but Jesus said it was necessary that He be baptized by John. So they went into the river. John lowered Jesus into the water, baptizing Him.
As Jesus came ashore, the heavens were torn open and the Spirit descended in the form of a dove and came to rest over Jesus. Then a voice was heard from the sky: “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
The next day, Andrew and another disciple were with John, and as Jesus walked by, John said: “Behold, the Lamb of God.” So Andrew and the other disciple went and followed Jesus. Jesus noticed them and said, “What are you looking for?” They said, “Rabbi” (which translated means Teacher), “where are you staying?” And He said to them, “Come, and you will see.” So they went with him and spent the day there, until about four in the afternoon. When they returned, Andrew went and found his brother Simon and said: “We have found the Messiah” (which is translated Anointed) and brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, “You are Simon the son of John;* you will be called Cephas” (which is translated Peter).
So from the very beginning, Jesus named Peter the rock.
Outstanding description.
Mat 16:15
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Matt 15:19 uses the Dative
The Almost Catholics?
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