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To: Petrosius

Petronius-

None of those verses says the church - any church - is infallible. Every Christian has the I dwelling Spirit to guide them into truth.

I see that the Catholic Church comes up with belief first and then back fills it using whatever it takes to make it appear biblical. Your verses are an example of this eisogesis.

Again, we have the sovereignty of God as the foundation of confidence in the accuracy and preservation of his word.

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24 posted on 04/29/2015 5:52:48 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
None of those verses says the church - any church - is infallible. Every Christian has the I dwelling Spirit to guide them into truth.

This is only your interpretation of those verses, an interpretation that you yourself should not claim is infallible. Nowhere does the Bible say that it is the individual as opposed to the church that is guided by the Holy Spirit to the truth. This is your a priori assumption.

As for the authority of the Church:

• Matthew 16:19 was addressed to a single individual, Peter.

• Luke 10:16 was addressed to the appointed 72, not to the all the disciples.

• John 14 was again addressed to only the twelve Apostles, not to all the disciples.

• Matthew 23:1-3 refers to the authority of those who hold a teaching office among the faithful.

• Acts 15:28 was a decree of the apostles and presbyters gathered in Jerusalem addressed to the church in Antioch. These were those who held a visible office in the church and who specifically invoked the authority of the Holy Spirit in giving their instruction.

No, these passages do indeed show a visible and hierarchical church teaching with the authority of the Holy Spirit itself. But what if we were to take your position that "every Christian has the I dwelling Spirit to guide them into truth?" Would this not also apply to the half of the world's Christians who are Catholic. If they come to conclusions about the meaning of Scripture that differs from yours, who are you to claim that you are guided by the Holy Spirit and have the truth and they are not?

Again, we have the sovereignty of God as the foundation of confidence in the accuracy and preservation of his word.

Yes, but by what means does he exercise this authority? By each individual contradicting one other or by the church that He established and with which He provided a visible leadership?

26 posted on 04/29/2015 6:30:49 AM PDT by Petrosius
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