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To: metmom; St_Thomas_Aquinas
Does that include telling the church to elect three popes at once?

Forgive me, metmom, but that's simply ignorant. There was only one Pope, though there were two other men whom rebellious factions of cardinals "tried" to install as Popes, mainly for political reasons (which was absurd). Do read up on that event, please; there's far more to it than the typical anti-Catholic sound-bytes and bumper-stickers would lead one to believe.

Does that mean that you have to believe EVERYTHING the church tells you, even when it contradicts itself?

No... partly because the Church has never contradicted Herself in her core dogmas (i.e. things recognized as "de fide"--i.e. part of Divine Revelation), and partly because any Church authorities who contradict Church teaching are to be disobeyed in that respect.

So in Catholic economy, the Holy Spirit doesn’t indwell the individual believer as Scripture clearly states?

The Holy Spirit dwells in the soul of anyone who is not in a state of mortal sin. Didn't you see that, when you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church as preparation for talking about the Catholic Church on a public forum?
1,033 posted on 05/04/2015 10:10:27 AM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: metmom; St_Thomas_Aquinas

One clarification: in order to be in a state of sanctifying grace (which mortal sin kills), one ordinarily needs to have received the Sacrament of Baptism; given the large number of non-Catholics in the discussion, I should make sure that’s made clear.


1,034 posted on 05/04/2015 10:18:22 AM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: paladinan

It doesn’t if they have not accepted Christ. Does not matter how good they were/are.


1,035 posted on 05/04/2015 10:27:26 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: paladinan; metmom
Forgive me, metmom, but that's simply ignorant. There was only one Pope, though there were two other men whom rebellious factions of cardinals "tried" to install as Popes, mainly for political reasons (which was absurd).

There are several people today who claim to be the pope. That doesn't make them the pope.

Conclavism

1,040 posted on 05/04/2015 11:23:22 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: paladinan
No... partly because the Church has never contradicted Herself in her core dogmas (i.e. things recognized as "de fide"--i.e. part of Divine Revelation), and partly because any Church authorities who contradict Church teaching are to be disobeyed in that respect.

OK. Back to this.

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

True or not. Yes or no?

I know what I was taught growing up.

1,048 posted on 05/04/2015 12:23:05 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: paladinan; metmom
The Holy Spirit dwells in the soul of anyone who is not in a state of mortal sin. Didn't you see that, when you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church as preparation for talking about the Catholic Church on a public forum?

So the Holy Spirit kinda drift in and out ...??? So does He return after one does 3 Hail Marys and 3 Our Fathers?

BTW The catechism is not an infallible document.. so it is subject to change ..

Do we have any infallible scripture on the in and out Holy Spirit ??

1,056 posted on 05/04/2015 1:51:35 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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