Posted on 04/28/2015 8:36:56 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Isn't that the truth...
Unless you think there are contradictions in scripture it's all present. Your example of 1 Corinthians 1:18 doesn't work the way you say when looked at in the Greek. There are still people "being saved" today as they were "being saved" back then.
Luke 13:23 And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?" And He said to them,
That "being saved" phrase doesn't mean an ongoing process for an individual but when the Gospel is preached many believe and in that way are "being saved".
I suppose if you refuse the guarantee of the Holy Spirit you would be right.
1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
John 5:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
Ephesians 2:8 for by grace ye are having been saved, through faith, and this not of you -- of God the gift,
Ephesians 1:13 in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth -- the good news of your salvation -- in whom also having believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of the promise,
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The promise of Yehova is to save us (raise us up)on the day of trumpets if we endure to the end.
We can count on him, but the question with men always is can we count on ourselves?
With so many believing that doing the will of the Father is not required, the outlook is not good.
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Dispensation is simply a different word for "administration". God did indeed have different ways He administered or managed things.
Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Ephesians 3:9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.
The Old Testament was the administration (dispensation) of law and the New Testament is the administration (dispensation) of grace. And don't try to put those under grace back under the law.
GMTA!
Rood doesn’t give you much scripture to support does he? And when he does he calls a woman fire!
LOL! Yep :)
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I don’t need any support, but I have given you and the rest of the deniers plenty of scripture support to look away from.
As long as the word of God is on my side, I’m good.
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I am in the new testament..
Very blessed and thankful to shed Antichrist Rome and their counterfeits..
False Christs would come.. how shocked I was to realize the roman Jesus was a false Christ.
A counterfeit not by word or deed just like a counterfeit $20 bill will look and feel like the real genuine money.
Only way to tell genuine from the counterfeit is to study the genuine.
And that study was found in that pesky old testament.. confirmed in the new testament.
And a real uncovering in the last book of the Bible where we learn much..
Hold Rome up to the light and you will see right through them.. and realize either they have created another Jesus or have created the Jesus for all Christendom..
Don’t be fooled. Rome knows the Torah. They wouldnt have January 1st or February 2nd as circumcision or presentation in the temple feasts on those days if they didn’t need December 25 to fit some Torah like template..
If we didnt have warnings of false Christs, false teachers, false prophets, other Jesuses or other gospels or Satan deceiving the whole world in the new testament, we wouldnt have much to test. Or to prove all things..
I have done my study of Rome.. started innocently enough with catholic handing me rosary beads and an instruction booklet.
And that Mary is a liar on the testimony of the old And new testament.
But that liar points to Jesus.
Tough to square a liar pointing to Truth when scripture says just the opposite..
Either catholics have another Jesus or they don’t..
My testing has led me to see plainly they have created another Jesus. If faith in a phony is saving faith, then it doesn’t matter what we debate because lots of Christians don’t see Rome as having another Jesus.
But it’s why Rome has subtle influence on the religion of Christianity. And if one believes , like I do, that Rome is one of Satan’s vessels, then Christianity has been played...
And it would explain thousands of denominations that all accept the same false premise..
The false premise that Rome has any Truth or claim to Truth whatsoever.
I know my opinion is a minority opinion.. I am okay with being outside of the Babylonian religions of Islam, Judaism and Christianity..
It clumps the protestants in with her mother.. and that is unpopular..
The comment is *IF he does not listen to the church, then......*
...treat him as a pagan or tax collector."
I don't see a significant distinction.
That is a gross misinterpretation of the passage to claim or imply that it is a standing order of Jesus to listen to the Catholic church.
Jesus could have told his followers to take disputes to Him while He was still on earth, but he gave that Authority to His Church.
He didn't tell His followers to take their disputes to the Scriptures, or to Himself.
He told His followers to take their disputes to His Church.
Ponder that for a moment.
The clear meaning is here for everyone to see. It's dealing with disputes among believers, not absolute authority given to *the Church*.
"If he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector."
What about that does not sound like absolute authority?
The following verse seals this interpretation:
"Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
The power to "bind and loose" had a strict and established meaning in Judaism.
Binding and loosing is an originally Jewish phrase which appears in the New Testament, as well as in the Targum. In usage to bind and to loose mean simply to forbid by an indisputable authority, and to permit by an indisputable authority.--Wikipedia
The power of binding and loosing was always claimed by the Pharisees. Under Queen Alexandra, the Pharisees, says Josephus ("B J." i, 5, § 2), "became the administrators of all public affairs so as to be empowered to banish and readmit whom they pleased, as well as to loose and to bind." This does not mean that, as the learned men, they merely decided what, according to the Law, was forbidden or allowed, but that they possessed and exercised the power of tying or untying a thing by the spell of their divine authority, just as they could, by the power vested in them, pronounce and revoke an anathema upon a person. The various schools had the power "to bind and to loose"; that is, to forbid and to permit (Ḥag. 3b); and they could bind any day by declaring it a fast-day (Meg. Ta'an. xxii.; Ta'an. 12a; Yer. Ned. i. 36c, d). This power and authority, vested in the rabbinical body of each age or in the Sanhedrin (see Authority), received its ratification and final sanction from the celestial court of justice (Sifra, Emor, ix.; Mak. 23b).
--Jewish Encyclopedia
Maybe it's:
Seat of Moses/Pharisaical authority to bind and loose
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Chair of Peter/Council/papal authority to bind and loose.
The former being a type for the latter.
BTW, I'm enjoying your posts here. Very well thought out.
Thanks once again for your insight bro.
So when Paul says ‘this dispensation’ he’s just mistaken, is that your position as you contradict him?
Yeah, it says...we were given and charged with the responsibility to interpret, copy, authenticate, protect, scripture and in so doing, when someone decides on his own to change it....we toss his butt out of the true church.....either you believe and follow the truth or you become a protestor....see how that works???
God doesn't NEED anything....however, He does USE mankind to spread and further enhance His word...
Considering the number of your post.....take 2
Oh good grief Charlie Brown....... .
I do read the prophets....and No, my theories aren't... .
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