Are you infallible?

One Fold ^ | December 10, 2013 | Brian Culliton

[Elsie]

The Bible teaches by addressing certain passages to certain people.

SO many folks what the EXAMPLE to apply to all, or to others, or to themselves.

[Elsie]

However, when protestants altered God's word and attempted to change the true faith..did make them wrong.

You give lots of opinions...

[Elsie]

He saw that something was not right in the Catholic teaching and did something to correct it. More people should have that kind of courage.

We Prots keep praying for a Catholic pope to come along and have the NERVE to change unscriptural Catholic ACTIONS.

[CynicalBear]

>>...and you have a Scripture verse or verses which says that very thing, explicitly (so as to avoid "interpreting" anything)? Chapter and verse, please.<<

John 3:5, Acts 2:47 and others.

>>Ah. So, when Jesus tells us to take unrepentant sinners "to the Church", He's saying to take them to an undetectable, invisible "collective"<<

Evidently you didn't read on to see that those local assemblies which meet together are quite visible.

>>Explain to me, in small words, how this is saying something different than FatherofFive was saying?<<

No hierarchy starting with a pope. Small enough for you?

[CynicalBear]

>>No, it isn't: it's a complex mixture of water, electrolytes, proteins, carbohydrates, and loads of other miscellaneous items.<<

Did you simply need something to disagree about?

>>Let's do a quick Bible study, with a specific focus on CONTEXT.<<

The context was Jesus own words when He explained that being born of the water was being born of the flesh.

[CynicalBear]

>>There are many that think they are “saved” simply because they said the very unbiblical “sinners prayer” and go to a church.<<

Trying to imply that true believers think some rote words are what is required says more about your understanding then theirs.

[CynicalBear]

The carnality of the comment you are responding to was obvious.

[CynicalBear]

The Holy Spirit doesn’t give that infallibility to the man. How hard can that be to understand?

[CynicalBear]

>>Really...it's amazing how no one ever mentions that in the first century.<<

Prove it.

[CynicalBear]

1 Peter 3:21 and this water symbolizes baptism

See that? The water baptism is simply a symbol of what happened spiritually. It's not the baptism in water that does anything other that symbolize what has already happened.

[Resettozero]

R2z : ...and non-protestant non-catholic Christians here too...

tc : No such thing.

In your limited ken.

[DungeonMaster]

What doctrines do ALL Protestants agree on?

What doctrines do all Christians agree on?

[paladinan]

And that from a child you have known the holy scriptures, which are able to make you wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.2 Tim 3:15

Okay... so: where does the word "ALONE" appear in that verse? You do remember that the word "ALONE" is the bone of contention (in the sense that the Scriptures ALONE are all one needs for all this), right? No faithful and well-informed Catholic would deny that the Scriptures are USEFUL and NECESSARY... but no sane person would deny what St. Peter writes in 2 Peter 3:16-17, where he warns that people are capable of distorting the Scriptures, unto their own destruction. Merely having the Scriptures is no "bullet-proof guarantee" of salvation; one can still have them, and suffer destruction. More is needed... and the Bible clearly lists many of these additional necessities: love (1 Corinthians 13), perseverence/endurance (Matthew 10:22 and 24:13), corporal works of mercy (Matthew 25:31-46), and dozens more.

[CynicalBear]

>>Yes, and he told the Corinthians in 1Corinthians 15 that salvation is “at the last trump.”<<

No he did not. He told them that they would changed from the perishable to the imperishable at the last trump. 1 Corinthians 15:52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

[smvoice]

Good luck to you.

[smvoice]

LOL!

[CynicalBear]

>>In all three of these chapters it is made plain that people that had received the Holy spirit still became hopelessly lost.<<

Implying that the Greek word μετόχους means the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is a stretch.

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “No he did not. He told them that they would changed from the perishable to the imperishable at the last trump.” <<

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That is salvation.

That is the “you must be born again” event that Yeshua was trying to explain to Nicodemus.

Without that change, we cannot exist in the kingdom of God. When that change happens we are moved from the material/temporal universe to the Kingdom.

We will then be just exactly like Yeshua was at the resurrection.

At that point we will not be subject to the second death, as explained in Revelation 20.
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[CynicalBear]

>>There is nothing in Paul’s epistles that declares guaranteed salvation to anyone<<

So the guarantee of the Holy Spirit isn't good enough for you?

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession--to the praise of his glory.

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “Trying to imply that true believers think some rote words are what is required says more about your understanding then theirs.” <<

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Unfortunately, it puts a glaring light on your deficit in understanding.

True believers never needed to have a sheet of paper with a contrived prayer shoved in their face to recite.

True believers say their prayer of their own volition when moved upon by the Holy Spirit, and not at any meaningless revival meeting.

I’ve been to enough of those meetings to know that the lost nicolaitans that run them want to believe that the words on their handout sheet are all that is needed for salvation. They are no more enlightened in the spirit than the catholics with their beads and rote chants.
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