Posted on 04/28/2015 8:36:56 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Yes, and he told the Corinthians in 1Corinthians 15 that salvation is “at the last trump.”
He also said to “work out your salvation with fear and trembling.”
The epistle to the Hebrews is his best effort though.
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Ephesians 1:13-14.....read it in the Greek.
Ephesians 1:13-14. Two of the most beautiful verses of scripture in God’s word. If people would read the book of Ephesians every day for a week, they would be transformed in their spiritual life. It’s just beautiful!
Read Hebrews 6, and 10, and 2Peter 2.
In all three of these chapters it is made plain that people that had received the Holy spirit still became hopelessly lost.
Go with the detail for understanding, not with the generalities. This is where Peter meant that people become lost by “wresting” with his words. (To their OWN destruction)
With Salvation comes the Holy Spirit of God into the heart of the cleansed spirit. But God is gentle for His burden is light. He will not force conformity but will work mightily when the broken spirit asks for guidance away from sin. Falling into grievous errors has hallmarked every Age of Church History.
Living the Christian life is God living in you, transforming your soul by a daily walk with Him. As Paul taught and the Church at Jerusalem sent in a letter to the new Gentile Christians, they would do well avoiding fornication and the food sacrificed to idols. As Paul discovered with the Corinthians, some of the Christians there were in error regarding those who had died in Christ. And Paul's third letter was to the believers in Thessalonika who had been led into error regarding the rapture of the Church.
Salvation is NOW, not at some future trumpet sound. The snatching away of dead and alive Believers happens at the trumpet. That some who are alive and remain shall be transformed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, testifies that they ARE saved awaiting the Rapture, for your mind cannot make repentance as quickly as the transformation will happen. The saved walk in faith, faithing in His promises as realized in their lives.
Who was the book of Hebrews written to? And the book of Peter? It matters. Especially in the matter of doctrine in this age of the grace of God.
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It is beautiful until one allows himself to believe those effluvious words of encouragement to a strong congregation are meant as a general guarantee of predestined salvation.
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Also re-read 2 Peter 2 and see who Peter was talking about in verse 16. He wasn’t speaking people wrestling with his OWN words. He was speaking of people wrestling with PAUL’S words. Important difference.
They are written to all.
That is a very basic premise of the word of God.
Obviously the entire evangelistic portion of the NT was written to “The Lost Sheep of the House of Israel,” but that always includes those of us that sojourn with them spiritually.
It is not a closed invitation.
Good luck I’m gonna pull the eject lever on this thread. This post is what I’ve been saying to him, in so many words. It doesn’t seem to be sinking in.
I don’t know how much more direct one could be than to say: One can’t say “there is no gift of infallibility from the Holy Spirit” and yet also say “the Holy Spirit keeps me from reading (and therefore learning) Scripture incorrectly”. The two statements are incompatible.
Amazing that anyone could say they aren’t incompatible. Just Amazing! And ponderous man. Ponderous.
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>> “He wasn’t speaking people wrestling with his OWN words. He was speaking of people wrestling with PAUL’S words. Important difference.” <<
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Those that wrest with any of scripture are always looking for something that isn’t there. There is nothing in Paul’s epistles that declares guaranteed salvation to anyone, but some will read it in there somehow, and once they do that, they are on the slippery slope.
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Ephesians tells you that, too. "That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus." Eph. 2:7. We, in this time of His grace in order that we might be reconciled to Him, are the "but now" of Ephesians, Chapter 2. Formed BEFORE the foundation of the world, but kept secret until revealed to Paul. Also found in Ephesians Chapter 1:4.
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>> “Without that broken and contrite spirit, the likelihood of allowing the Holy Spirit to do the saving is slim.” <<
Precisely!
It all depends on what your total goals are.
Please give me scripture from Paul’s epistles that proves your point.
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His grace is to all generations.
The promise to Abraham’s family is the very same promise that the NT apostles preached.
Dispensationalism is just garbage to sell books and get wealthy.
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The epistle to the Hebrews is the best place to go to understand what Paul preached. (all of it, not parts)
Talk about 'fer cryin' out loud',,,,,
Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Baptize means water??? Then the Eunuch could have said, 'here is water; what doth hinder me to be watered'??? I mean, if baptize means water...
Or, 'here is baptize; what hinders me to be watered???
Of course water doesn't mean baptize...
If you believe Paul wrote Hebrews.
Where did you get that perverted version of scripture???
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
So Protestants believe this DOESN’T mean that baptism now saves us through the resurrection of Christ?
Not water baptism...The baptism that now saves is a spiritual act of God which results from a good conscience toward God, Not by getting wet...A Spiritual baptism...With the Holy Ghost...No water involved...
With the exception of Romans through Philemon. That the apostle Paul preached. That is the whole point of the mystery, hid in God, from the foundation of the world. Found in Ephesians.
They are not the same. One is about a kingdom of believers. The other is about a body of believers. Ephesians, Chapter 2 will explain. "Time past", "but now", and "the ages to come". Evidently God has divided His timeline for mankind. This is HIS division as given to Paul. Otherwise why not call all time NOW in Ephesians?
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