Posted on 04/28/2015 8:36:56 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Everyone should ask themselves: Did Simon Peter know his Scriptures? Did he know the prophecy regarding Eliakim in Isa 22? I think he probably did.
So, having knowledge of Isa 22 and the language used there, he probably took Matt 16:18 the same way Catholics do today: That Christ was giving him a special kind of authority, authority over His Kingdom on Earth. That's what the "keys", as symbols meant then (in the prophecy in Isa 22). It's about time we start realizing that it's clearly what He intended then AND now.
" I will clothe him with your robe and fasten your sash around him and hand your authority over to him. He will be a father to those who live in Jerusalem and to the people of Judah. 22 I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open."
"And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven"
Isa 22:21-22 cf Matt 16:18
This must be some rare, idiomatic definition of the word “refute” of which I was not previously aware... :)
Well, that settles it. Scripture means nothing if one can "assume" to be correct and make emphatic declarations.
I am not an ass! I studied Greek. "Whatever" is not in there!
Jesus is THE ROCK!
Way to conflate what I said into something I did NOT say. Also, way to dodge the point I brought up.
For those who ignore Scripture, and make up their own religion.
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What a catholic would call a “reputable” protestant scholar has to be the true joke of the millennium.
You probably forgot that we have 28 strains of the gospel of Matthew in the original Hebrew, and they all show Peter as his life-long nickname ‘pebble,’ not rock.
Anyway, it would have been difficult for Yeshua to base his already existing assembly on the same weak mortal that denied him thrice at the home of the high priest.
The growth of the assembly began with Abraham anyway.
Why don’t catholics “know stuff?”
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Dodge makes trucks. Where did you make a point?
All I saw was Roman Catholic "talking points", and you unqualified opinion.
I don't follow any "religion". I am a Christian.
sola Scriptura is merely recognition of the principles of all scripture.
Yeshua affirmed that Torah is eternal in Matthew 5. It will exist in force as long as time itself does.
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Haha ok. You got your precious “last word”.
Still doesn’t change the fact that the clear parallel between Matt 16:18-19 and Isa 22:21-22 exists no matter what you say. The two are clearly related, to anyone who has no agenda to protect.
But hey, again, you got that precious “LAST WORD”! Yay, YOU!
It's really simple...'IF' you believe the bible...
Who is the foundation of the church??? Jesus of course is the foundation...Jesus is God...
The church is not the Truth...Jesus/God is the truth...
Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Therefore we Christians know without a shadow of a doubt that God is the pillar and foundation of the Truth...NOT someone's religion...
No, history doesn't show that at all...The list of your early so-called popes was created by Eusebius, a couple hundred years after the fact...
And who was Eusebius??? He was the right hand man of the pagan Constantine...
You started this page with a very bad foundation...It can only crumble from there...
What church did Christ establish, when he told Peter “And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Mat 6:18 "
What church are you to take your issues, when Paul said "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
What Church is the pillar an foundation of truth? “But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” 1Tim 3:15
Be specific. Which Church?
We have the scripture...Where's your word of mouth???
What did Paul teach that is not scripture???
Why is anything after Deu 4:2 relevant? It is all added.
Pro 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Pro 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
A warning in the beginning of the bible...A warning in the middle of the bible...A warning at the end of the bible...How many warnings will it take to convince you???
You should read the Bible.
So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter. 2 Thes 2:15
“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.” John 16:12-13
“But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” 1Tim 3:15
I believe Scripture. Do you?
Seriously, that's all you got??? Your religion was built on those scriptures...They apply to the Mormon church as well as to the Jehovah Witnesses...How do we know the Mormons are not the true Church???
I guess English wasn't your first language. What are you trying to say?
Oh, baloney. Do some research.
Because they don't come from Peter, and the Church Christ established
Y’all are the ones making up junk.
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