Posted on 04/26/2015 1:05:20 PM PDT by RnMomof7
But here is the basic problem with catholic exegesis....
In their turn, the fathers of the church made use of typology and allegory in order to actualize the biblical text in a manner appropriate to the situation of Christians of their time.
This has led to so many errors of understanding the word and is in large part the reason catholics are so messed up on Mary.
When I saw these first two I almost quit reading.
E. Contextual Approaches
1.The Liberationist Approach
2.The Feminist Approach
F. Fundamentalist Interpretation
The works are in favor of the first two and opposed to the last.....and we're surprised why.
No wonder catholics vote for liberals the way they do.
So the question remains.....need a list of the verses that have been interpreted by the "magisterium".
What is the Biblical model?
It’s a starter.
Another is read the Early Church Fathers.
There should be a list somewhere.
We know there's tons of stuff on Mary....yet not a single listing of defined verses????
I've asked that question myself for over a decade, and I've never received an answer. Have you noticed that the people who tell us to read the "Early Church Fathers" demonstrate little familiarity with the works of the Earliest Church Fathers, i.e. the New Testament writings of the Apostles?
Yes....if they read the ECFs they would find the ECFs are all over the board on issues near and dear to catholicism. A whole lot of contradictions.
****This is a common straw man raised against evangelicals. You will not find any serious evangelical ever saying the Bible is the sole source of all possible information. What you will find is that as a matter of conflict resolution as between two sources, where one is the word of God and the other is the word of man, the typical evangelical will always defer to the word of God. ….****
This is interesting, thank you! What are some of the sources Evangelicals will use?
And please notice that I said that nothing the Catholic Church teaches can contradict Scripture :) nor the other two sources of information.
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****And yes, it is a denigration of Scripture to hold human opinion over the heads of others, complete with anathemas, when there is no unequivocal basis in Scripture for such pronouncements. Such injurious speculations are a positive harm to the body of Christ, and we should never seek to enforce them as equal in moral and spiritual force to God’s own words.****
You think that everything outside of Scripture is only human opinion, and as a result you have a problem with how the Catholic Church teaches. That information which the Catholic Church calls Tradition comes from Christ Himself. That which is taught by the Magisterium is derived from these two divine sources and is protected by the Holy Spirit. None of the three sources can be contradicted.
So what you are saying here is as wrong about the Catholic Church as what I said about the only source being Scripture when applied to Evangelicals—can you see that?
As a former catholic myself, I have to agree. But you know what Mana? I don't care about all kinds of different arguments that, although they are important, pale in comparison to the only argument that matters, and that is: what is your plan of salvation? Heaven or Hell, what qualifies me to go to the former and avoid the latter? Nothing else really matters, does it? We can debate other issues till Gabriel blows his horn, 😀😄😃😇🙈🙊🙉🇵🇭 but what about Heaven or Hell?
I hope you and your doctor are doing well.
****Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,... ****
And how does this show the triune nature of God? How does it show that the three Persons of God are equal, for example? Or so united as to be One, while remaining separate Persons? Because I think the reason this verse and others seem self-evident to us is that we have already learned the doctrine.
It’s like Watson and Holmes: Watson was always amazed at how clear Holmes’ deductions were.... after Holmes had explained them.
It first came from Scripture.
Mark, my eyes are doing great. Moved yesterday and lost my keys today. There are here somewhere but it is still frustrating. My key to unlock the gate, my safety deposit key, key to my house, to the townhouse, car key, were all on it. My daughter has my new keys to this apt or they would have been on the ring, too. I have an extra key to car and I have a garage door opener but that safety deposit key is going to cost me some of that money I found. Think it will cost about $100. : (
Agree with you on this.
If you think that, then why do y’all keep bringing up Protestant names?
Thank you.
Thank you.
Likewise, all Protestants cannot be put in one category to be bashed.
Simple enough for me.
Seems simple enough for me too. What saddens me, is all those snow flakes falling, and you know what that means. It doesn't have to be that way. God bless us all, and may He reveal Himself to millions.
That doesn’t answer the question.
I didn’t ask HOW the RCC interprets Scripture. I asked for the actual interpretations themselves of the verses of Scripture.
WHICH VERSES have been infallibly interpreted?
How many and what is the interpretation?
Don’t move the goalposts.
That wasn’t what you originally asked.
****Do Catholics immerse or sprinkle?
****What is the Biblical model?****
Neither sprinkling nor immersing: Catholics pour water over the head of the person being baptized. Usually the person is positioned in a way that the water is poured from the forehead to the back of the head.
What is the Biblical model? We know that St John the Baptist baptized “in the Jordan,” which made sense in a time without plumbing, but it seems unlikely that St Paul baptized with a full immersion when he baptized a household after his release from prison by an earthquake (Acts 16:33).
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