Prayers For, To,and Through the Dead

Reformed Apologetics Thoughts of Francis Turretin Blog ^ | April 21, 2009 | Francis Turretin Fan

[CynicalBear]

>>So all this doctrinal bashing accomplishes is some kind of egotistical satisfaction by the thread maker bashing others and putting them down, and more of the same as their friends back them up.<<

I'll bet you are really unhappy with Christ using scripture to excoriate the Pharisees.

[metmom]

The person who has never experienced the new birth, the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit cannot comprehend the change that it works in a person.

[avenir]

“The person who has never experienced the new birth, the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit cannot comprehend the change that it works in a person.”

So true. This change is only brought about by “believing what you heard”, and no progress happens any other way. Sanguine (i.e. “seared”) unbelievers are often happier, nicer and live “better” lives than believers who are goaded into works for approval before God. Talk about misery! The result?

“Where then is that sense of blessing you had?”—Galatians 4:15

Gone! This board is littered with “works for approval”, the ultimate insult to God’s laborious witness, through history, that “by works of the law no one will be justified”. He made it crystal clear through Israel but the mind controlled by the sinful nature will not/cannot accept Truth. “Yet you refuse to come to me to be saved.” Dead works of religion are just as much of the flesh as sexual immorality.

[RnMomof7]

Christ died for our sins.
But we have to do our part too.

Can you see where Protestants look at that belief and wonder if we could ever do enough or be good enough to pay for the offenses we commit to our Holy, Holy, Holy God?

All Adam and Eve did was eat an apple and they lost their promise .... we are a vile people that offend God daily, hourly ...with our thoughts and actions.. there is not enough penance or fire to clean our souls..

[RnMomof7]

Amen

[RnMomof7]

Who is “bashing other Christians” around here? Do you think that reproving, rebuking, or exhorting are bashing? If you feel bashed upon, then find the scripture that supports your particular viewpoint and we’ll study it together to find the truth. That is different than feeling bashed on because you don’t care for what is being told to you.

Thank you smvoice ... We know the gospel divides.. Jesus warned us of that ..BUT the gospel also calls those that are His.. This is the great commission

[RnMomof7]

Bunk. The Septuagint was accepted by all of Christianity and remained complete until Luther had to throw Scripture in the garbage to avoid direct contradictions to his heresy.

Jerome , that translated the Hebrew into Latin ...did not include the deuterocanonical books in the INSPIRED canon, they were placed in a separate section for "spiritual reading"

Until trent Rome did not have a closed canon ...

[RnMomof7]

God's word is, of course the final statement on anything, and the Catholic church is the only source of proper interpretation of that word...there is no other, there never will be, and no, we are not entitled to do it ourselves....

Actually Rome has only officially "spoken" on a handful of scriptures..so when your priest gives a sermon, or you read the work of an RC author, or attend a bible study..they are all just giving you their personal interpretation of what the scripture says... so actually yes we not only have the right , but the duty before God to know Him through His word

[RnMomof7]

Yes, she's very opinionated; we've been in each other's lives since 1950. She was our next-door neighbor. The last time we got together (my husband went too), she spoke almost exclusively about Jesus for some 5-6 hours

Thats because she loves you and fears for your eternity.

[Gamecock]

Jerome , that translated the Hebrew into Latin ...did not include the deuterocanonical books in the INSPIRED canon, they were placed in a separate section for "spiritual reading"

An inconvenient fact.

[ravenwolf]

It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.

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There was obviously a difference of opinion even among the writers of the scriptures which is probably why Maccabees was not included in the KJV.

Ecclesiastes 9
5 For the living know that they shall die, but the dead know nothing more, neither have they a reward any more: for the memory of them is forgotten.

6 Their love also, and their hatred, and their envy are all perished, neither have they any part in this world, and in the work that is done under the sun.

The above vers1s are also from the Douay Rheims and seems to disagree with the verses in Maccabees so I will just have to say I DON`T KNOW.

[RnMomof7]

It seems that Catholic apostates hate the Church more than cradle Protestants.

I prefer to think of us as those that were saved from Rome..:>)

I hate anything that is anti Christ..I hate false teachings that places men above Christ, I hate idolatry ... I love Catholics and understand the burden they carry..

How awful to never know if you have done enough, obeyed enough , prayed enough to get even into purgatory.. How sad to die and go to an unknown eternity

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.(John 8:36)

[MHGinTN]

Allow me to join you in affirming that reality. Whom God loves, he discipli9nes. We humans need to face our hypocrisies in order for God to wash them out of us. If He is not within us, we will not recognize those hypocrisies for same.

[MHGinTN]

Selah!

[MHGinTN]

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[RnMomof7]

Then why are we told to pick up our cross and follow Christ?

The cross was Christ's purpose..His mission

Our cross is our call, our purpose ... as Christ's purpose was difficult and painful so might ours be.. but we are called to be faithful to the purpose for which we were called

[metmom]

Very welll said.

[Resettozero]

Nice post to read. In any type font.

[metmom]

Luther may have been forgiven officially but clearly not all Catholics have gotten the message.

Does that mean they are poorly catechized or sinning by holding a grudge or out of communion with the church for rebelling against its authority?

[Resettozero]

The FR religion forum is the last place a person seeking God would want to go.

Yet, here you are.

Again.