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To: NYer
The Catholic position simply applies these Scriptural teaching to the entire Body of Christ, while the standard Protestant position says that these teachings don't apply to the parts of the Church that are already in Heaven. The view goes awry in calling for us to ignore an entire portion of the Body of Christ: urging us not to pray for the faithful departed, and not to ask the Saints in glory to pray for us. Scripture calls for us to “have the same care for one another,” to suffer and triumph with the other parts of the Body. The Saints' glory is ours; our struggles are theirs.

The catholic position ignores the Biblical position on this issue.

We do not have any injunction or example of praying to the departed believers.

Praying for the departed does them no good. Their destiny is determined at death. They either die as a Christian and will go to Heaven, or they will die as a non-Christian and go to Hell. Once your earthly body stops working it is too late.

If the catholic position were correct, then the simple thing to do would be to pray everyone into Heaven. This would completely undercut every teaching in the NT about how one comes to faith in Christ.

93 posted on 04/20/2015 4:17:04 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
The catholic position ignores the Biblical position on this issue.

Rather, The catholic position ignores the Protestant doctrine of Sola Scriptura using only the Protestant Bible as the sole authority on this issue.

We do not have any injunction or example of praying to the departed believers.

The selected application of Sola Scriptura in your comment exposes its shortcoming. Not having an injunction or example in the Protestant Bible is insufficient to declare something true or false. There are no injunctions or examples of other truths you likely take for granted in the Protestant Bible either, principal among them Sola Scriptura itself, nor the Canon, with the last book in said Bible identifying all the preceding books to be included in said Bible.

110 posted on 04/20/2015 4:38:01 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: ealgeone
If the catholic position were correct, then the simple thing to do would be to pray everyone into Heaven.

Isn't that similar to what Mormons do? If I am not mistaken, they get baptized for the dead, so they can become Mormons in the afterlife, or something like that. The Bible indicates there is nothing new under the sun, so these "doctrines" have been around for many moons. My question is, what were these "doctrines" called three or four thousand years ago?

162 posted on 04/20/2015 5:50:34 PM PDT by Mark17 (Beyond the sunset, O blissful morning, when with our Savior, Heaven is begun. Earth's toiling ended)
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