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To: FateAmenableToChange; RnMomof7
This is ridiculous. I did.

Are you referring to this?

The RCC has through history taught and then retracted several interpretations of scripture. [snip] When Christ says "you are Peter and on this rock I build my church," for example, I see something totally different than RCC adherents.

Your response is a comparison of church teaching and your own interpretation. Where did the church change its interpretation of scripture?

Indulgences require a tortured interpretation, in my opinion. Mortification of the flesh through flagellation. Crusades against intra-RCC reformers in the 13th-16th centuries. Kings waiting on baptism until the end of life so as not to be burdened by sins committed after baptism. Purgatory was valid, and now is not.

Again, you stated that the RCC has through history taught and then retracted several interpretations of scripture. Which scripture was taught and then retracted in this example?

Purgatory was valid, and now is not.

Again, which scripture was taught and then retracted in this example? More importantly, when did the Latin Church retract its teachings on Purgatory?

As RnMomof7 points out, the RCC has wisely not asserted infallibility on more scriptural interpretations.

Which raises the question: How many passages of Scripture have been defined by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church?

This is not worth responding to.

When you post a statement: The RCC has through history taught and then retracted several interpretations of scripture. You should be prepared to support your assertion.

421 posted on 04/21/2015 2:29:12 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

Whatever.

1. Peter and Paul. There was already a church in Rome at the time that both Peter and Paul arrived. The RCC for political reasons relating to a desire to obtain supremacy over Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, and later Constantinople, first claimed they started the church at Rome. Then they dropped Paul. The development of this tradition was historically late and coincided with Rome’s claim to the primacy of the papacy over the other churches. Development over time.

2. I am not going to do your homework for you. I gave you a list of church practices that were taught by the RCC as having scriptural basis and that required adherence by the RCC faithful. Much like the tradition of praying TO the saints that you have tried to defend, the traditions and instances I listed have gone through multiple iterations. The example of the anti-Hussite crusades to enforce RCC doctrine on the Hussites, culminating in five defeats of RCC forces, and ultimately the RCC capitulating to permitting the Hussites to retain their distinctly non-RCC doctrines is illustrative and happens to be the one I’m reading about now. The political power of the papacy. etcetera etcetera. All of these are practices and traditions and acts that the RCC condoned, justified, and/or explained through scripture.

Your entire argument depends (and loses) on the proposition that the RCC has never once undertaken any act, promoted any practice, or maintained any tradition that was contrary to scripture. This is wholly indefensible, prideful, and wrong. Historically wrong. Doctrinally wrong. Every church has done that, just as every believer. To insist otherwise is ridiculous.

On purgatory, i’ll admit that I reversed it. The RCC didn’t realize that Purgatory was a necessary dogma of the RCC until the 15th century. So a failure to believe in purgatory was not a sin before the late 1400s, but was afterwards.

Finally, on your last normative claim, please kindly go do your own work. This is an internet forum, I have other demands on my time, and clearly we will disagree.

I am sure you will feel the need to respond. Please forgive me if I do not feel the same desire to continue this fruitless conversation. I refuse to engage in Catholic-bashing, but I will not back down from the obvious truth that the RCC has changed its teachings and indeed been mistaken about what scripture requires over its approximately 1600 years of existence.


437 posted on 04/21/2015 3:03:11 PM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: NYer
Which raises the question: How many passages of Scripture have been defined by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church?

4 or 5

496 posted on 04/21/2015 5:09:06 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: NYer
When you post a statement: The RCC has through history taught and then retracted several interpretations of scripture. You should be prepared to support your assertion.

Good concept to keep in mind...


When you post a statement:____________________________________ You should be prepared to support your assertion.

560 posted on 04/21/2015 6:28:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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