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To: ealgeone
We'd have to go through the quotes one by one, which I don't have time to do right now, though if you would want to take it up later, go ahead and send me some.

Dogmas of the Church would include Mary's ever-virginity, her Immaculate Conception, her Assumption, her role as pre-eminent intercessor within the Communion of Saints, her title of Theotokos (Mother of God)--- I'm missing some, but that's basically it.

Poetic titles would include most everything that's in the Litany of Loreto, which are very beautiful and which are understood metaphorically.

There are a huge number of titles relating to places of apparitions (Our Lady of Guadalupe, Our Lady of Fatima) but as "Private Revelation,", they are not de fide (you don't have to believe them) and they are not the subject of dogma.

"Public revelation", which is de fide, ended with the death of the last Apostle. "Private Revelation" means any supernatural phenomena (visions, dreams, locutions, etc) happening after that. No private revelation is considered de fide --- even if this revelation came to you personally, you would not be obliged to believe it. Even "approved" apparitions (e.g. Fatima) can only confirm, and cannot contradict, that which we believe by Public Revelation.

A lot of people don't "get" that. I'm just making it clear, I hope.

Anything that suggests that Mary is equal to, or even greater than God, would be seriously objectionable. For instance, here on the Religion Forum awhile back, somebody was quoted as saying that it's better to pray to Mary than to Jesus, because her answers are surer and quicker. I think that's heretical. It's certainly not a doctrine of the Church.

The problem with your assertion is that you are mixing together dogmas, poetic metaphors, mystical experiences (private revelation) and statements that are prima facie heretical.

I can see why that happens, because too many Catholic writers are not careful to distinguish one from another. However, it is a mistake which results in wrong conclusions and widespread confusion.

409 posted on 04/21/2015 1:44:40 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Praise God from Whom all blessings flow, / Praise Him all people here below.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
We'd have to go through the quotes one by one, which I don't have time to do right now, though if you would want to take it up later, go ahead and send me some.

In other words....you cannot refute any of these postings and are now trying to hide behind obfuscation.

Anything that suggests that Mary is equal to, or even greater than God, would be seriously objectionable.

We constantly seek for help from Heaven - the sole means of effecting anything - that our labours and our care may obtain their wished for object. We deem that there could be no surer and more efficacious means to this end than by religion and piety to obtain the favour of the great Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, the guardian of our peace and the minister to us of heavenly grace, who is placed on the highest summit of power and glory in Heaven, in order that she may bestow the help of her patronage on men who through so many labours and dangers are striving to reach that eternal city. …..showing that the Catholic Church has always, and with justice, put all her hope and trust in the Mother of God. SUPREMI APOSTOLATUS OFFICIO ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIIION DEVOTION OF THE ROSARY

>"Mary is the intermediary through whom is distributed unto us this immense treasure of mercies gathered by God, for mercy and truth were created by Jesus Christ. Thus as no man goeth to the Father but by the Son, so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother." (Vatican Website: Encyclical of Pope Leo XIII on the Rosary, Octobri Mense, Pope Leo XIII, 1903-1914)

For instance, here on the Religion Forum awhile back, somebody was quoted as saying that it's better to pray to Mary than to Jesus, because her answers are surer and quicker. I think that's heretical. It's certainly not a doctrine of the Church.

According to Eadmer (A.D. 1060–1124), an English monk and student of Anselm, “sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus...[who] does not at once, answer anyone who invokes him, but only does so after just judgment. But if the name of his mother Mary is invoked, her merits intercede so that he is answered even if the merits of him who invoked her do not deserve it.” Through her “the elements are renewed, the netherworld is healed, the demons are trodden underfoot, men are saved and angels are restored.” — Andrew Taylor, “Three medieval manuscripts and their readers,” University of Pennsylvania press; page 173

Eadmer must also be credited with being one of the first serious proponents of the Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary when he defended popular traditions in his De Conceptione sanctae Mariae.

Poetic titles would include most everything that's in the Litany of Loreto, which are very beautiful and which are understood metaphorically.

Mrs. Don-o....you seem like a nice person. This comment of yours however doesn't pass the smell test and I think you know it. Too many catholic websites employ these titles. The telling fact is that the Vatican has not disavowed any of these titles....a de facto approval.

You're doing your dead level best to deny that your "church" teaches and condones the worship of Mary. In fact, the roman catholic church has elevated Mary to such a level of importance that there's no way they could ever back off without losing total credibility amongst catholics.

444 posted on 04/21/2015 3:21:53 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Mrs. Don-o
For instance, here on the Religion Forum awhile back, somebody was quoted as saying that it's better to pray to Mary than to Jesus, because her answers are surer and quicker.


THIS???


Joseph:  Mary; are you asleep?
Mary: You bozo; you KNOW I have to do my prayers.
 
Joseph:  I was just wondering if....
Mary: You hornytoad;  you KNOW I have had this HEADACHE for nigh unto these 12 years or so!
 
Joseph:  A fella can HOPE eternally; can't he?
Mary: Hope all you want; you ain't gettin' it:   I HAVE to remain a VIRGIN for my FOLLOWERS!!
 
Joseph:  What 'followers'?
Mary: The ones who will be bombarding me forEVER with their heartfelt requests!!!
 
Joseph:  I may as well be dead...
Mary: What did you just mumble?  I ain't DEAD; just FRIGID.  Now roll OVER and go to sleep. 
 
 
 
 
Mary: Son? are  You listening??   I've got a bunch more good, Catholic prayers for you to deal with.  Ready?
 
 
 
 

558 posted on 04/21/2015 6:25:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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