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To: Mrs. Don-o
Their presence in heaven is frequently confirmed by miracles: and that would be God's own testimony.

HERESY!!

Any 'miracle' would be GOD's direct doing.

Dead people have NO share in HIS glory!!

173 posted on 04/20/2015 6:04:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Hold your heresy horses, Elsie!

"Any 'miracle' would be GOD's direct doing."

We agree on that! When have I ever disagreed with your good sense?? Never!

"Dead people have NO share in HIS glory!!"

Ah yes, there we disagree: because your opinion does not take into account what Scripture says about God and His glory.

For one thing, saints are not "dead people." Jesus corrected the Pharisees on this point:

Matthew 22:31-32
"Have you not read what was said to you by God, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is God not of the dead, but of the living.’

So we are speaking of the saints living in Heaven: not the dead, but the living.

St. Paul says (Romans 2:6, 10), "God will repay everyone according to his works: eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good work,... there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, Jew first and then Greek."

This is not stealing glory from God, but rather it manifests God's freedom to give glory to those on whom His favor rests. This is a derivative glory, like the light of the moon, which is not independent, but beautifully reflects the light of the sun.

It's also a matter of inheriting glory as joint heirs with Christ:

(Romans 8:16-18)
"The Spirit itself bears witness
with our spirit
that we are children of God,
and if children, then heirs,
heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ
if only we suffer with him
so that we may also be glorified with him."

"I consider that the sufferings of this present time
are as nothing
compared with the glory to be revealed for us."

Romans 8:30
"And those he predestined
he also called;
and those he called
he also justified;
and those he justified
he also glorified."

Paul says the true Israelites were rightly given glory:

Romans 9:4
"They are Israelites;
theirs the adoption,
the glory, the covenants,
the giving of the law,
the worship,
and the promises."

Paul himself claims this glory:

Romans 11:13
"Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I glory in my ministry."

And Paul goes on to explain that in all this, GOD is glorified:

Romans 11:36
For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be glory forever.
Amen

This is what we are taking about. Look again at the quotes above. This is about all believers' sharing in God's glory.

God is telling us the truth.

Amen.

186 posted on 04/20/2015 6:28:14 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel)
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