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Three Things You're Probably Getting Wrong about Praying to the Saints
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| April 20, 2015
Posted on 04/20/2015 1:46:59 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Eucharista
FOr the first 350+ years after the first Pentecost there was no bible, only the verbal Traditions of the Church Oh?
Just because the various writings were NOT bound together sure doesn't mean they did not exist.
Colossians 4:16
After this letter has been read to you, see that it is also read in the church of the Laodiceans and that you in turn read the letter from Laodicea.
HMMMmmm...
Nothing about understanding the Traditions of the Church Fathers...
541
posted on
04/21/2015 6:15:49 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Eucharista
I have not received the warmest of welcomes either.Says the fella(?) that blew his chance at making a good first impression...
542
posted on
04/21/2015 6:16:41 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: ealgeone
543
posted on
04/21/2015 6:16:51 PM PDT
by
Gamecock
(Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
To: Elsie
I often seem get the nervous-nelly young fella being tended by his stern-faced and tense handler, ready to jerk the boy off my porch if need be.
(How come they always know when not to visit.)
To: Eucharista
I've never heard anyone compare prayer to crack cocaine before, but then I've been a Catholic all of my life. AHHHhhh...
The MORMON equivalent of BIC.
545
posted on
04/21/2015 6:17:21 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Mrs. Don-o
The next line following the verse you quoted, says that their offense was "worshiping" the creature rather than the Creator.Well...
...are not 'saints' CREATURES?
546
posted on
04/21/2015 6:18:06 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Mrs. Don-o
Scripture seaks of people rightly being glorified in the past and the present, as well as in the future at the "last trumpet".I see you know something about the Last Trump.
Who is gonna rise from the graves?
Who are the 'dead in Christ'?
547
posted on
04/21/2015 6:19:23 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: ealgeone
"Why not just focus on John 14:6 and study the life of Christ? Keep Him as the main focus." Yes, I agree. We do focus on Christ when we pray the Rosary. I want to repeat that: the "Marian" meditations are Christocentric.
Second, the official public prayer of the Church is not the Rosary, but the Mass. Google the text, and you will notice that Mary is mentioned ONCE in the Mass, and even then she does not get even a whole sentence to herself. Here's the text:
I confess to almighty God
and to you, my brothers and sisters,
that I have greatly sinned
in my thoughts and in my words,
in what I have done
and in what I have failed to do,
through my fault,
through my fault,
through my most grievous fault;
therefore I ask blessed Mary ever-Virgin,
all the Angels and Saints,
and you, my brothers and sisters,
to pray for me to the Lord our God.
This Mass prayer, called the Confiteor, is a classic example of intercessory prayer through the Communion of Saints.
548
posted on
04/21/2015 6:19:38 PM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
("God, in destining Mary to be the Mother of his Son, granted her the highest honor." - John Calvin)
To: Iscool
Reading the mind of another Free per, e.g. ‘you know’ - is a form of making it personal. Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
To: Eucharista
Wow, I wasn't aware that mind reading was a gift of the Holy Spirit... True; that's why no Catholics are capable of it.
550
posted on
04/21/2015 6:20:12 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Eucharista
Salvation came to the world through Mary.
And on that peg hangs many an RCC extrapolated error and misunderstanding of Who Jesus of Nazareth really is.
To: Eucharista
God loves everyone. Even Esau...
552
posted on
04/21/2015 6:20:57 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: NYer
Name them. I've an antique indulgence I'd like to sell.
Interested?
553
posted on
04/21/2015 6:22:06 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Eucharista; CynicalBear; metmom; Gamecock
I could really care less for your attempt at covering your lack of knowledge of your own catechism which you claim you're certified in.
You may recall this exchange.
ealgeone: >>"And like how the creation days are viewed symbolically."<<
Eucharista: Please provide a citation because that is not Church teaching.
337 God himself created the visible world in all its richness, diversity and order. Scripture presents the work of the Creator symbolically as a succession of six days of divine "work",....
As you don't know your own catechism, in which you claim to be certified, which we've shown that you apparently don't know it, I have zero confidence in your explanation and your attempt to change the topic.
I don't bluff.
To: DannyTN
God's love is eternal. Jacob I loved.
555
posted on
04/21/2015 6:23:28 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Eucharista
I specifically said that two supposedly "dead" people spoke to Jesus who was fully present in human form such that the Apostles witnessed it. You did not address that.Well try this then...The apostles didn't ask Moses or Elijah to intercede for them in praying to anyone...It has never happened a single time in the New Testament...There is not a single incident in the bible where it is even hinted at that we should try to communicate with those who have died...
And why would there be??? We are told to communicate directly with God...We are instructed to have those alive on earth to intercede in prayer for us as well...
And what's comical, when you guys have someone 'live' intercede for you in prayer, THEY pray to these Saints as well...
556
posted on
04/21/2015 6:25:16 PM PDT
by
Iscool
To: Mrs. Don-o
Yes, I agree. We do focus on Christ when we pray the Rosary. I want to repeat that: the "Marian" meditations are Christocentric. If it's supposed to be about Christ, then dump the marian meditations!!
One day catholics will be telling us somehow that the blood of mary is what saves us!!!! W already hear it was because of her "sacrifice" we're saved.....even though she was not on the cross.
It is only through Christ and Christ alone that we are saved.
It is only to Christ and Christ alone that we owe our salvation. No one else. Nobody.
To: Mrs. Don-o
For instance, here on the Religion Forum awhile back, somebody was quoted as saying that it's better to pray to Mary than to Jesus, because her answers are surer and quicker.
THIS???
Joseph: Mary; are you asleep?
Mary: You bozo; you KNOW I have to do my prayers.
Joseph: I was just wondering if....
Mary: You hornytoad; you KNOW I have had this HEADACHE for nigh unto these 12 years or so!
Joseph: A fella can HOPE eternally; can't he?
Mary: Hope all you want; you ain't gettin' it: I HAVE to remain a VIRGIN for my FOLLOWERS!!
Joseph: What 'followers'?
Mary: The ones who will be bombarding me forEVER with their heartfelt requests!!!
Joseph: I may as well be dead...
Mary: What did you just mumble? I ain't DEAD; just FRIGID. Now roll OVER and go to sleep.
Mary: Son? are You listening?? I've got a bunch more good, Catholic prayers for you to deal with. Ready?
558
posted on
04/21/2015 6:25:57 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Eucharista
A Christian is one who believes in the divinity of JesusNOPE...A Christian is a born again believer who has trusted in Jesus (only) for his/her salvation and is indwelt with the Holy Spirit...
559
posted on
04/21/2015 6:27:57 PM PDT
by
Iscool
To: NYer
When you post a statement: The RCC has through history taught and then retracted several interpretations of scripture. You should be prepared to support your assertion. Good concept to keep in mind...
When you post a statement:____________________________________ You should be prepared to support your assertion.
560
posted on
04/21/2015 6:28:24 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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