Posted on 04/12/2015 11:16:47 AM PDT by RnMomof7
The following is an edited transcript of the audio.
Are Christians under the 10 commandments?
No. The Bible says we're not under the law.
I love Romans 7:4-6. By way of analogy, it says that you are married to the law. And you better stay married because if you leave this husband and go marry another you are going to be called an adulterer. But if your husband dies, then you can go and remarry.
And then Paul draws the analogy out—a little complex the way he does it—saying that you died to the law. You aren't married anymore, you can have another husband, namely Christ. He's raised from the dead.
So, our approach towards ethics is different. We don't ask the question, "Am I under the law?" We are under grace. The law is already fulfilled perfectly by Jesus. We are in Jesus and as far justification goes, God sees it as completed for you, one-hundred percent. He says, "You've trusted my Son. You've been grafted in him. You are in Christ Jesus and he fulfilled the law perfectly. He covered all your sins." God sees you in and through Christ, therefore, as far as final judgment goes God is 100% for you. That is settled and nothing is going to change it.
Now, shall we sin that grace may abound? Paul says, "Dead men don't sin." If you've died to sin, how can you still live in it? The new birth is the writing of the law on our heart so that we are not under it, it is under us. It is just coming out.
The way we strive towards being obedient, holy and loving people is not by getting up in the morning and pulling the list out of our pocket. No! We get on our knees and we open ourselves to the whole counsel of God in the Bible. We saturate and shape ourselves by everything he has done, he is doing and he will do. We stake our lives in the gospel and then instead of serving the law, we serve one another in love.
Love is the fruit of faith in Jesus—faith working through love. And if you ask, "What does love look like?" First John says, "It keeps the commandments." That brings us back to the question, which commandments? I would say, the ones that are loving.
Love God and do as you please is not bad advice, if you're bent on holiness. If you're bent on love the ten commandments are really important. You should hang them on your wall and you should measure your life by them, but in a very different way than when you were under them, because they have been kept for you.
You are now married to the risen Christ. You are not married to the law and the oldness of the letter, but to the newness of the Spirit. Our whole approach towards transformation, love and life is different than list keeping.
Amen
“You don’t go to hell because you break the 10 commandments, you go to hell for not being Born Again.”
And where, in anything that you quoted, does it say that?
By the way... the ‘love your neighbor’ thing? That’s Jewish. That’s the whole of the Torah.
Thank you. Gd’s word is eternal.
Because nobody else wanted it?
Your not reading The Word of G_D are you.
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Yes so true. The word fulfilled in Hebrew means lived under. Its been mis translated by the Catholics and a lot of other Christian faiths. Jesus lived as a Jew. He never broke the commandments and at one point he even said words to the effect of “do you think I came to do away with the laws of Moses?” He did not.
We are all under the law both Christians and Jews.
God is not schizophrenic. He does’t say one thing in the Old Testament and then change his mind later. God’s law does not change.
That's not the question.
God does not change. God never changes his mind. God is omniscient. The word of God is the word of God from the beginning of time until the end of time.
Well then, Jimmy Carter the Jew-hater has nothing to be concerned about.
Galatians 5: 1-6
For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. 2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. 3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. 4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.
Galatians 5:16-18
16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
"17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 Yes indeed! I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud ( י ) or a stroke will pass from the Torah — not until everything that must happen has happened. 18 "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 So whoever disobeys the least of these mitzvot and teaches others to do so will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever obeys them and so teaches will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. 19 "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
BULLHOCKEY !
Self and self alone is ascribed to those who are the works of the flesh, the self righteous apart from the atonement of Christ’s blood, the works based salvationeers.
The works based salvationeers trust in SELF, self righteous acts to earn their own way to God, to salvation.
Depending on Christ and Christ alone is one of the greatest acts of selflessness, to humble your self before God.
Trusting in Jesus Christ’s work of salvation through his blood is self less.
Trusting in your works, keeping the law is full of self and full of arrogant pride.
Trusting in Christ is a self less act of humility.
Christ and his sacrifice, his blood, his grace brings glory to God.
Self righteousness, trusting in your own works, keeping the law brings arrogance, pride, and vain glory to man..
“18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Yes but can you name the one and only man who ever lived under the spirit? His name was Jesus Christ and he lived under both the spirit and the law. I would suggest you follow the Master, not the Church or the Pastor. Follow the Lamb.
I put my faith in Jesus. I am completely incapable of following the law to the degree necessary to be saved. If your hope is in how well you have followed the law, you are doomed.
17 Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Is that so ?
Why then does St. Paul call the law, that was written on stones ? A ministry of death ?
The only “ Laws “ that were “ written on stones “ as St. Paul said are the Ten Commandments, and St. Paul called it, the law , that was written on stones the “ ministry of death “ ..
Paul talks about that we are not married to the law anymore in the 7 th chapter of Romans, and even gives a example of one of the Ten Commandments, THOU SHALL NOT COVET..
So the argument that the Ten Commandments was not part of the law that Paul was talking about that we are not under anymore, or married to falls flat on it’s face..
Check it out in the 7th chapter of Romans, it’s there, THOU SHALL NOT COVET... part of the Ten Commandments...
Paul says in that very same chapter that we are no longer married to “ THE LAW “ THE TEN COMMANDMENTS..
Guess what ? It was the Protestants who first came to this country to escape religious persecution of the church of England ( Catholic ).
The protestants came here on the Mayflower and brought the first bible to the New World, the Geneva Bible.
This was a Protestant country by far than Catholic back then... No, this drivel that you spew here about the Protestants is just that, drivel..
We never said that we are not to honor or follow the Ten Commandments, we believe that our salvation is not tied up or bound up in keeping the law , our salvation is in Christ, and Christ alone.
Of course we should honor and follow the Ten commandments, but Christ has earned, bought our way to salvation.
People go to hell becuase they reject Jesus Christ and his way of salvation in him, and in him alone...
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