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To: Iscool
"You don't acknowledge Mary as the woman prophesied in Genesis 3:15?....I don't acknowledge it because it isn't true...Jesus' mother never did and never will crush anyone...That woman is Israel...

Here's the thing: it's the Messiah Who crushes the Serpent. Right or wrong? And Mary is the mother of the Messiah. Right or wrong? Therefore the daughter of Israel, therefore the daughter of Eve, bingo: there's the lo-o-o-ng chain from Eve (and the seed of the Woman), through Israel (begat, begat, begat) to Mary (the true Daughter of Israel), whose Seed is Jesus, He who crushes the Serpent.

This is Christ-centered, not Israel-centered: although of course, Israel is a major, meaningful part of that chain. "Salvation is from the Jews," as Jesus said.

You do see that Mary is the Mother of the Messiah, right?

"Christians don't have a spiritual mother...There's not an ounce of information in the scriptures about a 'spiritual mother'"

Here's a couple of ounces :o)---

"Jesus said to the beloved disciple, 'Behold, thy mother.'" Aren't you a beloved disciple? Do you not see that not only was he to care for her, but she was to care for them?

> And how can I justify extending this to you and to me as beloved disciples? Because that's what it says in Revelation 12:17 ----

"Then the dragon became angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring, those who keep God’s commandments and bear witness to Jesus."

You wouldn't want to say you're NOT one of her offspring, would you?

"The big picture is in Rev. 17..."

Oh yes! That is big! And it gets even bigger in Rev. 21:

The Spirit and the Bride say, Come!


998 posted on 04/15/2015 10:39:03 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Jesus said to the beloved disciple, 'Behold, thy mother.'" Aren't you a beloved disciple?
 
 
Nice try...

1,004 posted on 04/15/2015 12:44:31 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
You wouldn't want to say you're NOT one of her offspring, would you?

The Blessed VIRGIN?

1,005 posted on 04/15/2015 12:45:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Then the dragon became angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring, those who keep God’s commandments and bear witness to Jesus."

You wouldn't want to say you're NOT one of her offspring, would you?

Mary is not my mother nor any Christian's mother; spiritual or otherwise...When that war takes place Christians will be in heaven attending the Wedding...

Christians don't worry about keeping God's commandments...They have been fulfilled in Jesus...

The Woman is NOT Mary and the offspring are not the church...

There's more than one verse in that chapter you have to contend with...

1,063 posted on 04/17/2015 10:11:22 PM PDT by Iscool
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