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To: Steelfish; EagleOne; BipolarBob; All

“…with no singular teaching authority…”

You like to misquote. What I wrote that you find objectionable was ‘Each person, and every Tom, Dick, and Harry gets to crack open the pages of the Bible authoritatively put together by the Holy Spirit and use them for edification and for instruction, as the Holy Spirit leads.’

Read the last five words here…’as the Holy Spirit leads’. Apparently you think the Catholic Church hierarchy has more teaching authority that the Holy Spirit.

But of course that is where you and so many like you have gone astray. Jesus did not come to form a new religion, it is all about relationship. God seeks relationship in a personal way with man, even with you and me. If you reject that personal relationship you reject God and you nullify the redemptive work of Jesus on the Cross. When Jesus refers to the church He is referring to the collective body of His followers, His body (bride). The ecclesia, the ‘called out’ ones. And yes, this is the universal church, lower case ‘c’.

God seeks relationship with man. God sought relationship with Adam…He walked with Adam in the Garden in the cool of the day. He found relationship with Enoch…Enoch walked with God. And so with Noah…Noah walked with God. Personal relationships – Enoch and Noah understood relationship and walked in relationship with God. When church hierarchy gets in the way, personal relationship with God does not happen. Church hierarchies are not my mediator.

Religions, all religions, all religious systems, are created by and are systems of men. The systems of men will pass away. This includes economic, political, religious systems – all will end. The world’s systems would have none of Him and that is their downfall. The systems of the world are not His way and they are crumbling. When Jesus sets foot on this earth again, He will establish a new-world order that He controls. And when He comes He will not be going to Wall Street nor to Washington DC nor to Rome seeking permission for what He is about to do. All systems of men will be gone. Kaput!


38 posted on 04/07/2015 9:48:40 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Amen!!


39 posted on 04/07/2015 2:47:14 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea; EagleOne; editor-surveyor; Iscool; Mrs. Don-o; RitaOK

What a pathetic display of shallow Bible Christianity, and no wonder Protestantism and all its conflicting brands today make for exhibit one of a caricature. No need to show the conflicting scriptural interpretations of Joel Osteen, or the vapid rot of Billy Graham, Rick Warren; Jimmy Swaggart, Benny Hinn, David Koresh; Jim Jones; Rev. Jeremiah Wright, or this or that First “Whatever” or every other kind of idiotic interpretations offered by every self appointed neighborhood foursquare church pastor.

Instead we have folks like ealgone tells Catholics to “go read John;” editor-surveyor, talks about “Yeshua remnant” (whatever the hell that means) and poor GGpaC4DumpedTea tries to rescue his his prior observations by trying to make it appear profound by by the qualifier ’as the Holy Spirit leads’. Wow; there must be thousands of “Holy Spirits” here given the 30,000 or so branches of Protestantism that began to divide and subdivide and continue to subdivide ever since it washed ashore some eleven centuries after the Holy Spirit guided the early Church Fathers in the Synod of Rome in AD 382 to infallibly assembled the canonical texts deemed authentic under Petrine authority.

This is not the Holy Spirit that hopscotches from one brach of a tree to another. Apparently hundreds of churches belonging to the mainline Episcopalian and Protestant Churches had the Holy Spirit with them until they began to ordain married gay and lesbian pastors.

It is precisely because of such shallow rubbish that every major Lutheran and and Protestant theologian have abandoned this drivel and converted to Catholicism. No less than America’s pre-eminent Lutheran theologian and scholar, Rev. Richard Neuhaus, not only abandoned Protestantism and converted to Catholicism, he said that in Catholicism he found “the fullest expression of the Christ.”

The brilliant Protestant and historian of Christianity, Dr. David Anders who tried to prove Catholicism wrong, ended up converting and said this:

“I thought there could be no better preparation for assaulting the Catholic Church and winning converts than to thoroughly understand the minds of the great leaders of our faith — Martin Luther and John Calvin”

So we know how that turned out.

But that’s not all, (this would make Iscool take refuge under his bed for tossing out incoherent scriptural interpretations), Francis J. Beckwith, a “born-again” evangelical, a tenured professor at Baptist-affiliated Baylor University in Waco, Tex, was the president of the Evangelical Theological Society, an association of 4,300 Protestant theologians resigned and joined the Catholic Church calling to account the inherent contradictions of Protestant belief with the scripture and the traditions and practice of the early disciples of Christ.

And if this is not enough, I offer you all, Ulf Ekman, the founder of Scandinavia’s biggest Bible-based school and church, with a congregation of some 4000 individuals, converted to Catholicism because after a whole lifetime of study his theological inquiry confirmed for him the indispensability of the Catholic sacraments.

Now lets not go into the realm of Augustine, Aquinas, Newman, or Benedict. Shallow Bible Christian who can barely keep afloat in the shallow waters of Bible-based theology would drown upon encountering the first wave of the insights of these theological giants. We have already seen the nonsense about “Yeshua remnant,” and the rest of this pool.

Then we have GGpaC4DumpedTea tell us:

“When Jesus refers to the church He is referring to the collective body of His followers, His body (bride). The ecclesia, the ‘called out’ ones. And yes, this is the universal church, lower case ‘c’.”

Wow? What profundity! Apparently, the “collective body” can hold different “truths” with each justifying their absurdity by saying these have interpreted for themselves scripture “ for edification and for instruction, as the Holy Spirit leads.”

Some Holy Spirt we have here who led followers of David Koresh and Jim Jones to their ghastly deaths for following what “they” believed were authentic interpretations of scripture no more than a Billy Graham or a Rev. All Shaprton or a First AME or a First Whatever claim to usurp the authoritative teaching of the Church in its Credo and Magisterium.

Finally, as all theologians (except for those Protestants stranded in the pews) we must end where we began, ONE Church, teaching ONE infallible truth, for ALL times.

What was truly said in in the year 110 A.D. is true just as today. Barely fifteen years after the book of Revelation was written, while on his way to his execution, St. Ignatius of Antioch wrote:

“Where the bishop is present, there let the congregation gather, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic church”. The Church believes that when the bishops speak as teachers, Christ speaks; for he said to them: “He who hears you, hears me; and he who rejects you, rejects me” (Lk 10, 16).

No need for any “Yeshua remnant” or any rot. No need for remnant when you have the gigantic mustard tree of the Catholic Church with its branches spread across to all part of the world, and which alone holds in its belief the Living Christ as John 6:53 confirms “Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.”

This is why the wild and lifeless mushrooms of Protestantism have begun to decay and wither away and rot as married gays and lesbian pastors now occupy the pulpit of mainline Protestant denominations. Led, by the Holy Spirit? Methinks not.


40 posted on 04/07/2015 5:45:13 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
All systems of men will be gone. Kaput!

Affirmative sir.

134 posted on 04/08/2015 9:47:52 PM PDT by Mark17 (Beyond the sunset, O blissful morning, when with our Savior, Heaven is begun. Earth's toiling ended)
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