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To: Springfield Reformer

Jesus wasn’t using a metaphor in this instance.

He never blessed a particular door and said that door is me.
He never blessed a particular vine and said that vine is me.

we have the writing of the Apostles and Fathers and the 2,000 year testimony of the Church.

Paul told us in his day there were some who did not discern ( recognize ) the Body, as the saying goes, nothing new under the sun.


137 posted on 04/01/2015 1:48:27 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Jesus wasn’t using a metaphor in this instance.

I am aware of your assertion, but still waiting for evidence why the ordinary rules of language should be abandoned here.

He never blessed a particular door and said that door is me.
He never blessed a particular vine and said that vine is me.


Blessing the bread and the wine was an ordinary and customary part of the passover celebration.  For thousands of years, no Jewish participant, that I am aware of, ever expected the matza to be any thing but matza.  The form Jesus gave is absolutely that of a direct metaphor.  Please provide an actual reason for disregarding that fact.

we have the writing of the Apostles and Fathers and the 2,000 year testimony of the Church.

I am edified by the writings of many.  I as a Christian am only conscience-bound to what God has said, and not the traditions of men, be they 2 or 4 or 6000 years old.

Paul told us in his day there were some who did not discern ( recognize ) the Body, as the saying goes, nothing new under the sun.

Indeed, and still they have trouble recognizing it.  Imagine how surprised they will be on judgment day when those who ill-treated their brothers in Christ failed to see them as the body of Christ.  Because that body of Christ, the family of believers, and not the bread or wine, is the locus of Paul's concern in 1 Corinthians 11.  Indeed that whole section is about the body of Christ, the worthiness of even the least member of it, because each one of us carries the gift of the Holy Spirit, and each has something of value to give within that body, and each was the object of Christ's supreme love at the cross.  This is why one should never partake of the remembering of Christ's sacrifice, while treating those for whom Christ died in an unloving manner.  It is a wretched hypocrisy, and it does and should bring us under the disciplinary hand of God.

But no, no mystical, gnostic-like "recognition" of deity in the bread.  That sort of mysticism was never part of the Lord's Supper until much later.  Seeing it here is anachronistic projection, and a rejection of nearly the entire context surrounding the "proof text." But like you say, nothing new under the sun.  

Peace,

SR
147 posted on 04/01/2015 2:35:23 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Paul told us in his day there were some who did not discern ( recognize ) the Body, as the saying goes, nothing new under the sun.

He sure did!


Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.

1 Corinthians 12:27

193 posted on 04/02/2015 4:09:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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