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To: CynicalBear
That contains false information about the translation of the Greek kecharitomene. In no way can the Greek be translated to include "full of grace"

...and it says that WHERE, in the Bible, exactly? Chapter and verse, please, since you're an adherent to "sola Scriptura". Surely no one is expecting us to take mere Protestant assertions as fact, right?

which has been shown multiple times on these threads.

"Asserted", yes. "Shown", no. Repetition of guesswork and opinion, despite the opinion of Goebbels, does not transform it into a fact.

Only two people have ever been called "full of grace" and they were Jesus and Stephen.

Based on which Greek lexicon, which translation of the Bible, and which verses? And would you be so kind as to explain whether your Greek lexicon (and your interpretations based on it) are infallible and sure, or not?
28 posted on 03/26/2015 1:09:48 PM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: paladinan; CynicalBear

I am not knowledgeable in koine Greek. However, I found this article interesting.

http://ecommons.udayton.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1197&context=marian_studies

It is a scholarly piece.


33 posted on 03/26/2015 1:23:07 PM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: paladinan
>>...and it says that WHERE, in the Bible, exactly? Chapter and verse, please, since you're an adherent to "sola Scriptura".<<

Acts 6:8 And Stephen, full (plērēs) of grace (charitos) and fortitude, did great wonders and signs among the people.

Greek - plērēs - Definition: full, abounding in, complete, completely occupied with. [http://biblehub.com/greek/4134.htm]

Greek - charitos - Definition: (a) grace, as a gift or blessing brought to man by Jesus Christ [http://biblehub.com/greek/5485.htm]

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full (plērēs) of grace (charitos) and truth.

The Holy Spirit specifically described those two as full of grace. No such designation was given to Mary.

43 posted on 03/26/2015 1:39:27 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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