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To: CynicalBear

Yes, the Jews are the Chosen People. The Septaguint was written by the Jews and decided by the Jews and codified in 130 BC, that would be before Catholics. Martin Luther decided to use what the Jews of his day were using and thus decided to throw out the books.

Again, you are confused. The Septuagint was what the Jews used, and used it before and during the time of Christ, and Gospel writers, and thus was included in the Canon.

“The translation of the Septuagint itself began in the 3rd century BCE and was completed by 132 BCE,[19][20][21] initially in Alexandria, but in time elsewhere as well.[7] The Septuagint is the basis for the Old Latin, Slavonic, Syriac, Old Armenian, Old Georgian and Coptic versions of the Christian Old Testament.[22]”

“Over several centuries of consideration, the books of the Septuagint were finally accepted into the Christian Old Testament, by A.D. 405 in the west, and by the end of the fifth century in the east. The Christian canon thus established was retained for over 1,000 years, even after the 11th-century schism that separated the church into the branches known as the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches.

Those canons were not challenged until the Protestant Reformation (16th century), when both the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches reaffirmed them.”

I think you are confused. It is non-Catholics who broke off and said they followed Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Wesley, Knox, etc.

You didn’t answer the question about what the Holy Spirit tells each person. Does each person receive the same message? If they don’t why not? I don’t think you can logically answer the question for the simple fact that not even non-Catholics agree amongst themselves.

You make a blanket statement the Catholic Church is “wrong,” yet you give no reason for your opinion.

Listening to the Catholic Church and the Holy Spirit are not incompatible. The logical fallacy you are using there is called false choice or option.

Your reference is not in context and is not relevant to a discussion of hierarchy, rather it is a specific reference to a specific group. Besides you are giving an interpretation.

While you are correct in the interpretation of Nicolas from Greek to English, the jury is still out if Revelation was speaking of the Deacon Nicolas, or in general. Those closest in time, such as Irenaeus, Epiphanius, and Clement, all finger him. However, some modern scholars disagree.

Regarding the Magisterium, it is not lorded over anybody. Anybody is free to accept or reject it.

While you place your trust in yourself, you seem to forget that your interpretation of the Bible and religion come from others. You are not the sole author of your opinion. Someone had to tell you about all the topics about which you claim knowledge. That is true for just about everybody in every field of knowledge. Even great discoverers have a foundation laid by someone else.

It is your choice to reject or accept the Church Jesus Christ founded 2000 years ago. It is your choice to accept the teachings of Jesus Christ as handed down to the Apostles. It is your choice to accept or reject the Church Fathers. These are your choices which you are free to make. Consider however, whether you trust in your opinions, which have been fostered in your life of less than 100 years, or the minds of almost 2000 years, specifically those who were disciples of the Apostles, as well as some of the greatest minds to ever walk the Earth.


211 posted on 03/31/2015 6:56:27 PM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: SpirituTuo

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


212 posted on 03/31/2015 7:16:23 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: SpirituTuo
>>You make a blanket statement the Catholic Church is “wrong,” yet you give no reason for your opinion.<<

I consistently provide scripture to prove Catholicism is wrong.

>>Listening to the Catholic Church and the Holy Spirit are not incompatible.<<

I most certainly is. The Holy Spirit would never sanction inclusion of paganism for one thing.

>>Regarding the Magisterium, it is not lorded over anybody.<<

You're joking right?

>>While you place your trust in yourself<<

No, I place my trust in Christ alone.

>>It is your choice to reject or accept the Church Jesus Christ founded 2000 years ago.<<

Once again, no, I am part of the ekklesia Jesus Christ founded. The Catholic Church in no way can be that ekklesia.

The Holy Spirit through Paul told us that anyone who teaches something the apostles didn't teach is to be considered accursed. The Catholic Church surely falls into that category.

215 posted on 04/01/2015 6:17:24 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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