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To: daniel1212

“Because the normal and natural connotation of mother denotes ontological oneness, making Mary as a goddess begetting a God after her nature.”

But Jesus has both human and Divine natures. Mary gave birth to a being that is ontologically fully human. God the Father provide the nature that is ontologically fully Divine. Jesus is both/and, not either/or. Mary gave birth to a person who has has both natures, but she did not provide any of the Divine nature, so it is not required that she be a goddess in order to still be Mother of God. Remember, this is a singular event in history, so the normal connotations go out the window.

Aquinas probably has the definitive answer on this, but I won’t have time to search the Summa Theologica for a while.


559 posted on 03/25/2015 12:28:00 PM PDT by Seraphicaviary (St. Michael is gearing up. The angels are on the ready line.)
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To: Seraphicaviary
But Jesus has both human and Divine natures.

Oh?

Human nature will get a person sinning.

GOD Himself doesn't HAVE a 'nature' HE IS!!

I am that I am

591 posted on 03/25/2015 1:02:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Seraphicaviary; DungeonMaster
Mary gave birth to a person who has has both natures, but she did not provide any of the Divine nature, so it is not required that she be a goddess in order to still be Mother of God.

But again, that ontologically oneness is what "mother of God" normally conveys, and is absent in Scripture. Even when stating that Christ come out of Israel, the Spirit is care-full to make the clarification that the flesh is referred to,

Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. (Romans 9:5)

You argue with God all you want that that clarification is not necessary, since Christ has a nature that is ontologically fully Divine and ontologically fully human, but He thought it important to add that clarification, while also making it clear that God had a body prepared for the Son to become incarnated in, and which came thru Mary as a pious instrument of God. And God does not say this blessing was because she was most holy, nor does it add the multitudinous titles and appellations Caths ascribe to her.

For the title "Mother of God" is not some mere technical term, but is part of the extreme exaltation of Mary which goes far beyond that which is written. For the Scriptures know nothing of ,

. praying to anyone in Heaven but the Lord, or were instructed to (i.e. "our Mother who art in Heaven") who were able to hear and respond to virtually unlimited prayers addressed to them (a uniquely Divine attribute in Scripture).

A women who never sinned (which claim is contrary to how the Spirit characteristically records even lesser exceptions to the norm among even lesser subjects), and was a perpetual virgin despite being married (contrary to the normal description of marriage, as in leaving and sexually cleaving), and who would be bodily assumed to Heaven, despite lacking testimony even from early tradition), and who is, exalted as (officially or with implicit sanction) as

an almost almighty demigoddess to whom "Jesus owes His Precious Blood" to,

whose [Mary] merits we are saved by,

who "had to suffer, as He did, all the consequences of sin,"

and was bodily assumed into Heaven, which is a fact (unsubstantiated in Scripture or even early Tradition) because the Roman church says it is, and "was elevated to a certain affinity with the Heavenly Father,"

and whose power now "is all but unlimited,"

for indeed she "seems to have the same power as God,"

"surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven,"

so that "the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, his Spouse."

and that “sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus,"

for indeed saints have "but one advocate," and that is Mary, who "alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation,"

Moreover, "there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose,"

and who has "authority over the angels and the blessed in heaven,"

including "assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels,"

whom the good angels "unceasingly call out to," greeting her "countless times each day with 'Hail, Mary,' while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests,"

and who (obviously) cannot "be honored to excess,"

and who is (obviously) the glory of Catholic people, whose "honor and dignity surpass the whole of creation." Sources and more. But rather than promoting the role of a women as the mother of God, and using that misleading title, Scripture teaches that God had a body prepared for the Son to become incarnated in, the idea of a heavenly mother has a strong

658 posted on 03/25/2015 4:42:51 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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